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CCP strangling Hisec carebears?

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#41 - 2013-09-28 03:02:17 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Lfod Shi wrote:
Sounds like a universe ripe for tax rebellion to me.

AKA: CCP is trying to get you to fight for what you want.


And that never works, because the kind of people who can't be bothered to risk useless pixels outside of hi-sec aren't the type of players who will fight IN hi-sec for anything. It's just not in their nature.

How anyone can be so feeble as to let people own them that much in a video game without even a token fight is beyond my ability to understand.


How anybody can tolerate PI is WAY beyond me.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Looking for Trouble
#42 - 2013-09-28 03:19:12 UTC
Waiting for the day, CCP will say ok. CARRIERS AND DREADS are allowed in HIGHSEC, ShockedBig smile
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2013-09-28 03:24:25 UTC
Get into manufacturing. If CCP really shakes high sec over the next 3 years there will be a lot of war. That means a lot of things will get blown up. Some one will be making $ from all those ships, ammo, structures, fuel, etc... Why shouldn't you get a small piece of that pie?

Honestly, if you only play a couple hours a week how much ISK do you need?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#44 - 2013-09-28 03:25:56 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
Get into manufacturing. If CCP really shakes high sec over the next 3 years there will be a lot of war. That means a lot of things will get blown up. Some one will be making $ from all those ships, ammo, structures, fuel, etc... Why shouldn't you get a small piece of that pie?

Honestly, if you only play a couple hours a week how much ISK do you need?

A 60bil isk ravenn dies in only a minute or so

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard
Tactical Narcotics Team
#45 - 2013-09-28 03:26:29 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:

Honestly, if you only play a couple hours a week how much ISK do you need?

Isn't the answer obvious? 5 Bil a month so he can plex all of his accounts.
methastofilis
ROC Incorporated
#46 - 2013-09-28 04:10:46 UTC
POCO in empire is great.:-) high sec corps can bring numbers often over sp compared to war Dec corps. Fighting on a POCO means the normal boring station games of some lonely war Dec corp sitting on a gate/station in an uber tanked ship to deagress and killing a few cruisers might be over!!!! No chance to deagress at a poco!!! Combined with faction (ie t1 sp required) cov ops frigates on ALTs for warp ins.. Can't wait.
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#47 - 2013-09-28 04:50:21 UTC
methastofilis wrote:
Combined with faction (ie t1 sp required) cov ops frigates on ALTs for warp ins.. Can't wait.

While the frigates themselves might only require t1 skills, the covops cloak still requires it's skills. Oddly enough, the skill requirements for covops cloaks and covops ships are very similar...
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2013-09-28 09:28:17 UTC
Some day, lots of casual players might realise that they are only welcome
because they make great targets...
Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-09-28 09:58:40 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Some day, lots of casual players might realise that they are only welcome
because they make great targets...


And then they will unsub and let you bittervets alone in your dying "elite" game Roll
Digits Kho
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2013-09-28 10:15:47 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
How long will it take my 1000 DPS Oracle to take down a POCO?


10 million HP.
10 Oracles take one down in 1000 seconds, or 18 minutes.

And when the null sec cartel fleets arrive, they will be a whole lot bigger than 10 Oracles.
Try seeing POCO's pop in 2 minutes.

In a big system, you might not even be able to undock and warp to the POCO before it will be gone.

Good afternoon sir, i must inform you that 80% of eve lives in empire space and should rly have no problem fliping a poco against a much smaller nullsec cartels
Aivo Dresden
State War Academy
Caldari State
#51 - 2013-09-28 10:17:17 UTC
I think it's cool. It forces 'carebears' to band together and actually protect their income. It's high sec so you can't get hot drops or cap blops. It opens up some possibilities for high sec industry corps to recruit some PvPers to protect their customs offices.

On the other hand, small time mercenaries might see a lot of business soon. Pirate
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#52 - 2013-09-28 10:27:08 UTC
How is adding POCO in high sec "strangling hi-sec"?

I see it as an improvement for hig-sec gameplay: another thing player-controlled.
Of course player-driven stuff are always more risky and less predictable, and we can like or dislike how they implement it, but anyway is a focus on hig-sec gameplay.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2013-09-28 10:30:43 UTC
Digits Kho wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
How long will it take my 1000 DPS Oracle to take down a POCO?


10 million HP.
10 Oracles take one down in 1000 seconds, or 18 minutes.

And when the null sec cartel fleets arrive, they will be a whole lot bigger than 10 Oracles.
Try seeing POCO's pop in 2 minutes.

In a big system, you might not even be able to undock and warp to the POCO before it will be gone.

Good afternoon sir, i must inform you that 80% of eve lives in empire space and should rly have no problem fliping a poco against a much smaller nullsec cartels
Please don't post stupid.

You're implying these 80% are'nt mostly alts.
You're implying these 80% actually play together and care about each other.
chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#54 - 2013-09-28 10:33:28 UTC
Eggs Ackley wrote:
Carebears are parasitic. They only want to take without giving back. "No Effort!" is their motto.

"Oooh some mean person with ambition will take the Customs Offices and make me pay." God forbid you get some friends (have any?) and take over a customs office yourself.

Look at this as an opportunity. Because it is.


I'd say "No Drama" is prolly a more accurate description. Carebears don't care about most things and would rather do their own thing without being bothered... Lot of "I'm not happy til you're not happy" in highsec. Can't we all just get along xD? Y u mad brah?
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2013-09-28 10:33:36 UTC
Sura Sadiva wrote:
How is adding POCO in high sec "strangling hi-sec"?

I see it as an improvement for hig-sec gameplay: another thing player-controlled.
Of course player-driven stuff are always more risky and less predictable, and we can like or dislike how they implement it, but anyway is a focus on hig-sec gameplay.
If you read it correctly, you can see that the person is pissed about the realisation that he's not really somebody CCP cares about.
And they are right.
Darth Khasei
Wavestar Business Ventures Inc.
#56 - 2013-09-28 11:04:05 UTC
Respect. Cool

I think OP and others with a similar perspective are slightly misunderstanding the EVE world and how it functions to the better of ALL players regardless of playstyle when ships go splody splody.

Increased player interactions and player emergent gameplay is the backkbone of this game.

Carry on.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#57 - 2013-09-28 11:06:20 UTC
Poasting in another self-entitled whinge thread. Roll

I daresay if CCP went full-bore WoW theme park, some carebears would still whinge that their hands weren't being held enough.
Some advice.

Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.

Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc
BIack Villain
Chief Spice
#58 - 2013-09-28 11:31:15 UTC
i'm gonna take over your home system and tax the hell out of it
Hanna Cyrus
Spessart Rebellen
#59 - 2013-09-28 11:34:11 UTC
It would be nice, if a few posters think outside the box, before they post. Everyone choose the style of gameplay for themself, depends on friends, time you can play, your playstyle and so on. Everybody has its reasons to do something or not.
Don't try to push other people to playstyles they don't enjoy, if they can't enjoy their game on their own playstyle, they will leave.

Nor i or still an other has the right to say how you have to play the game. So if you enjoy big fights in NullSec with Tidi, so do it. If you like to be the guerillaforce in LowSec and fight against the bigones, so do it. If you want to enjoy your after work beer by doing a mission in high do it.
Some people have more time to play this game, some not. I enjoyed my best time in eve-online in a WH, no cynos, small scale and with no local, you hear the dough cough. You get a bit paranoid there, like someone lokks steady over your shoulder. But all in all it was worth it.

Now i'm a carebear too, less time to spend on my eve hobby, maybe one or two times a week. So i say to those highsec nerf cry players: life and let life.
Antaria Wildsun
Massive Impact
#60 - 2013-09-28 11:37:15 UTC
I have about a dozen or so POCO's in wormholes that I no longer inhabit. I set the taxes at a reasonable tax rate, and as far as I recall, almost all of them are being used. Why? because the taxes are so low that it is not worth the effort to destroy and replace them. This is what you will largely see when the HS ones become active.

There are way to many planets to make monopolies out of this, it just isn't going to happen. The biggest impact will be that HS factory planets will be a bit more profitable, and because of that, lower end PI mats might come up in price a little bit.