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Toshiroma McDiesel
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2013-09-29 03:31:10 UTC
boernl wrote:
Tippia wrote:
boernl wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
So if it had made the price go up, you'd be demanding ccp take the additional value from your wallet

thats bull what you write here
if it goes from rare to lp item

No, it's a logical consequence of your suggestion. You are asking to have your purchases adjusted after the fact if something happens to the market that alters their value for a period of time after the trade has been done.

If the price goes down, you get reimbursed the additional ISK you had to pay.
If the price goes you, you reimburse CCP the additional ISK you didn't pay.


if it was direct market related the post woudlent have made sense

but if ccp literary fucks the ppl over it does



It was CCP fixing what they did 2 years ago, I've been waiting those 2 years for the mindlink to comeback down to it's real price. That you got a case of the stupid and paid 2 bil for it, that's your problem. Now I can buy it for what it's supposed to be at, and was for most of the game.

I"m not really the Evil One, I'm just his answering service.
Toshiroma McDiesel
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2013-09-29 03:34:40 UTC
Wyn Pharoh wrote:
This is not the first time, nor will it be the last time, that CCP devalues any particular item. It's been very expensive for a long time, and now it isn't. .



I don't consider 2 years a long time.

I"m not really the Evil One, I'm just his answering service.
Ave Kathrina
My Ass Is On Fire
#43 - 2013-09-29 03:41:16 UTC
boernl wrote:
well you 2 both clearly miss the reason wy i made this threat

i would apreciate it if ppl dont troll in this case


Its not a threat if you don't have your war face on!
I've done some really stupid shit in this game.
boernl
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2013-09-29 08:48:01 UTC
Wyn Pharoh wrote:
This is not the first time, nor will it be the last time, that CCP devalues any particular item. It's been very expensive for a long time, and now it isn't. I'll bet the warfare mindlinks that I paid a premium for before the last expansion have lost value with the introduction of navy mindlinks, but I don't expect CCP to reimburse me. I also never got a reimbursement for skills I trained that are no longer requirements for other skills, and judging by the Character Bazaar, skillpoints can be worth a lot of isk.

I think you expected more support from the playerbase with your OP. I suggest that you adjust your expectations.


youre correct i was hoping for more support from the playerbase
but as always most of the ppl that agree simply are afraid to go public

and the ppl that do get trolled to death
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#45 - 2013-09-29 08:51:54 UTC
Ave Kathrina wrote:
boernl wrote:
well you 2 both clearly miss the reason wy i made this threat

i would apreciate it if ppl dont troll in this case

Its not a threat if you don't have your war face on!

Someone is realizing they were basically asking to be called out by making the thread.

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Turelus
Utassi Security
#46 - 2013-09-29 10:43:56 UTC
CCP make changes which effect the prices all the time, this is what a living evolving economy looks like.

There are plenty of people who have been burnt the same way you have it will continue for ever more, if you want to try and avoid it in future keep your finger on the pulse of changes etc. #tweetfleet on twitter is a nice way to keep up with news as well as reading all Dev Blogs and patch notes.

You can actually make money off these changes as well if you're smart enough to see where the prices will change.
CCP never owe anyone reimbursement outside of EULA breaks or bugs within the game taking money.

Turelus CEO Utassi Security
Daisai
Daisai Investments.
#47 - 2013-09-29 10:50:30 UTC
boernl wrote:
hello folks

me and i know a lot of others
bought the mind link after themining barge change

at that point there was not a anouncement yet that they
were going to change way they could be aquired

so i bought that thing 2.1 b

and about 2 days later they pronounce
that the mind links could be bought with concorde lp

i say that they should reimburse the difference
between the price we payed and the price it became

the price now is only a fraction
of what is was when it was still a "rare" drop

already made a petition about this but all they simply dont care

i call this theft from the players by ccp




Thats the game, it will never change.
Best thing you can do if you really don't like the way ccp handles this is by ending your subscription and play a other game.
One where perhapse these situations would be handled in a bit more tactfull approach.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#48 - 2013-09-29 11:41:25 UTC
I remember when Mining Foreman Mindlinks cost 75,000,000, if. That is all.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2013-09-29 12:58:06 UTC
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:
boernl wrote:
well you 2 both clearly miss the reason wy i made this threat

i would apreciate it if ppl dont troll in this case


Ignore the trolls buddy, you're in the right. Everyone who ever bought one of those mindlinks is due a heavy reimbursement by CCP.

In all honesty, CCP should probably reimburse every character who ever lost isk due to a market fluctuation that came about from new/altered items. Fair is fair.


yeah man. i made some stuff that should have been a profit then the prices lowered and i can't shift it expect at a loss. CCP owes me big.
/end sarcasm.
OP if they had made the price go up would you be insisting that they take isk from your wallet and give it to the person you bought it from so that things were fair?

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Nick Kumamoto
Doomheim
#50 - 2013-09-29 15:38:18 UTC
boernl wrote:
well you 2 both clearly miss the reason wy i made this threat

i would apreciate it if ppl dont troll in this case


But your entire post is troll-like. And those are the breaks in EVE. S**t happens. Man up!

Most of what I write in terms of posts and/or comments is meant as "tongue-in-cheek", i.e. part irony, part sarcasm but meant in good fun.

On a more serious note. I want to marry CCP karkur. Is there a EVE dating service I can call?

Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#51 - 2013-09-29 16:08:41 UTC
I am not sure if you were aware of the Features and Ideas Section of the forums.

If you were then you would have seen the Dev thread on Mindlinks posted over two months before the patch. In that thread they stated the intended changes to Mindlinks and it was discussed for 60 or 70 pages (Don't remember exactly). Anyone that had a Mining Mindlink immediately after reading the thread put it on the market and laughed all they way to the bank as people bought them up at, never to be seen again, prices.

Your thread is misguided, misdirected... well your anger is at the wrong person. You were scammed, by someone that read the Dev Thread and used his knowledge to make a profit off of others that don't read.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Aurilen Baxtab
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#52 - 2013-09-29 17:13:21 UTC
You make your choices and live with the consequences. Buy smart and buy only that which is worth something to you. All purchases should made with the knowledge that you will not be reimbursed.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#53 - 2013-09-29 18:10:09 UTC
I'm pretty sure that the LP thing was announced, or at least I know I saw it at the bottom of that dev post when I first read those changes in F&I welllllll in advanced. Like a couple weeks I'm sure.

You just werent paying enough attention

Suck it up and shut up

You played with market speculation based on potential patch changes that could have still changed before the patch went live. You took a risk, now accept it and quit yer bitching.

The Drake is a Lie
Eggs Ackley
#54 - 2013-09-29 18:21:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Eggs Ackley
Give me my space money!! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=264773
When you saw that you could have sold.
But I am guessing you never even read it.

Old saying: "A fool and his money are soon parted."
boernl
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2013-09-29 18:22:03 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
I am not sure if you were aware of the Features and Ideas Section of the forums.

If you were then you would have seen the Dev thread on Mindlinks posted over two months before the patch. In that thread they stated the intended changes to Mindlinks and it was discussed for 60 or 70 pages (Don't remember exactly). Anyone that had a Mining Mindlink immediately after reading the thread put it on the market and laughed all they way to the bank as people bought them up at, never to be seen again, prices.

Your thread is misguided, misdirected... well your anger is at the wrong person. You were scammed, by someone that read the Dev Thread and used his knowledge to make a profit off of others that don't read.


100 dreds of idears are noted

not even a fraction actualy will be implemendet
Mra Rednu
Vanishing Point.
#56 - 2013-09-29 19:47:30 UTC
But 60 odd page devblog should of been enough of a hint to make you wait and see though.
Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
#57 - 2013-09-29 21:01:27 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
I'm pretty sure that the LP thing was announced, or at least I know I saw it at the bottom of that dev post when I first read those changes in F&I welllllll in advanced. Like a couple weeks I'm sure.

You just werent paying enough attention

Suck it up and shut up

You played with market speculation based on potential patch changes that could have still changed before the patch went live. You took a risk, now accept it and quit yer bitching.


Yup, it was announced so people should have sold them when they could. I think I must have sold about a dozen of these for over 1B ISK each from the Shipyard Theft mission over the years. Trading is all about the timing. I think my biggest hit came when CCP accidentally decided to sell the Excecutor Red Gold in the NeX store for a week but these things happen.

I've been telling people for the past couple months how the sleeves would drop from 1.5-2b ISK to about 500m ISK (I suspect they will stabilize at this price but could be wrong) which has recently occurred. My advice for today is to sell the Genolution 3 and 4 if you have them since they most likely will be rereleased someday and prices for them spiked (I sold my pair for over 1 billion ISK) a few days ago.
Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
#58 - 2013-09-29 22:03:59 UTC
boernl wrote:
hello folks

me and i know a lot of others
bought the mind link after themining barge change

at that point there was not a anouncement yet that they
were going to change way they could be aquired

so i bought that thing 2.1 b

and about 2 days later they pronounce
that the mind links could be bought with concorde lp

i say that they should reimburse the difference
between the price we payed and the price it became

the price now is only a fraction
of what is was when it was still a "rare" drop

already made a petition about this but all they simply dont care

i call this theft from the players by ccp



The price and availability changes for all the mindlinks including the mining one has no connection with the 'rebalancing' of the mining vessels. I also agree with many others that you do not have a right to a refund due to this change.

On the other hand I do feel that it was a bad idea for the price of the mindlinks to drop by so much. In particular for the mining mindlink to drop from approx. 1.6 billion ISK (I don't know where you got the 2.1 billion price from!) to as little as 86 million ISK on the markets. We have heard virtually nothing from Dr Eyjo since Fanfest earlier this year and with the QEN no longer being released we are in the dark as to how the economy is being managed. If I didn't know different I would say prices, except for the 'extra materials' factor, were being driven down by CCP to enable more PLEX to be bought with RL money.

My associates still wonder if any thought was put into whether dropping the price and increasing the availability of mining mindlinks would have a detrimental effect on the market and specifically to the mining community. It is probable this has been done to enable stopping use of Rorqual within POS shields ie to lessen the cost of Rorqual pilots being podded. I'm not sure there is any other reason to have made this change.
Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
#59 - 2013-09-29 22:08:02 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I remember when Mining Foreman Mindlinks cost 75,000,000, if. That is all.


I haven't looked but you may be able to buy them for that now sadly.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#60 - 2013-09-29 22:18:46 UTC
boernl wrote:
Goldiiee wrote:
I am not sure if you were aware of the Features and Ideas Section of the forums.

If you were then you would have seen the Dev thread on Mindlinks posted over two months before the patch. In that thread they stated the intended changes to Mindlinks and it was discussed for 60 or 70 pages (Don't remember exactly). Anyone that had a Mining Mindlink immediately after reading the thread put it on the market and laughed all they way to the bank as people bought them up at, never to be seen again, prices.

Your thread is misguided, misdirected... well your anger is at the wrong person. You were scammed, by someone that read the Dev Thread and used his knowledge to make a profit off of others that don't read.


100 dreds of idears are noted

not even a fraction actualy will be implemendet


It wasn't an idea. It was an actual DEV blog of an upcoming change. If you did not take it as gospel that it was going to happen, then you must be trolling.