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Hi Sec POCO

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Jon Lucien
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2013-09-26 21:32:37 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Jackie Arkaral wrote:
AmI the only one that has an issue with HI Sec POCOs? The comment on the announcement was that if a corporation set the tax rate too high, that was fine. People would just go elsewhere.

What happens when a large nullsec alliance decides that they want to shut down hisec PI for "fun" and sets the rate to 100% across 100's of systems.

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Zaepho
Goosefleet
#22 - 2013-09-26 21:32:43 UTC
Confirming Goonswarm will be taking all High-Sec POCOs to save everyone from the torture of High-Sec PI
Katie Corb
Corb's Emporium of Catgirls and Cynosural Fields
#23 - 2013-09-26 21:33:06 UTC
Don't listen to my mean-spirited brethren; buy a vouch into Bat Country today for 500m, and never have to worry about being taken for all of your hard earned isk by the goons.

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Themick Mccoy
#24 - 2013-09-26 21:33:12 UTC
Jackie Arkaral wrote:
AmI the only one that has an issue with HI Sec POCOs? The comment on the announcement was that if a corporation set the tax rate too high, that was fine. People would just go elsewhere.

What happens when a large nullsec alliance decides that they want to shut down hisec PI for "fun" and sets the rate to 100% across 100's of systems.




Stop being lazy and go shoot the offending poco(s)? It's not realistically possible to shut down every system in highsec. That is too many planets to cover.

My new goal is to bubble a super....but who is going to kill it for me?

Chad Wylder
Rusty Bucket Bay
#25 - 2013-09-26 21:33:35 UTC
Jackie Arkaral wrote:
What happens when a large nullsec alliance decides that they want to shut down hisec PI for "fun" and sets the rate to 100% across 100's of systems.

According to the stream the solution is to rocket launch.

Which has a much smaller amount that can be launched at a time and a higher tax than current HS customs offices.

I'm not sure what CCP is going for with this (I guess more conflict), but basically HS PI will just stop completely, assuming HS POCOs will only be attackable when you're at war with the owner. (if they're attackable outside of war then that's even worse and will just kill HS PI faster, but again I'm assuming you have to be at war)

Initially people will be going around shooting down Interbus Customs Offices to set up their own POCOs. Cool, going according to plan.

Larger corps will start taking over entire systems, constellations, and eventually regions, booting out the customs offices set up by smaller corps. Again, cool. It's conflict.

Some smaller corps will hang on to their POCOs for a little while, but eventually having a HS POCO with a small corp will just be a war magnet and not at all worth it. (Cheap war and you'll either get a fight from the defenders, or you'll get some POCOs on your killboard + tears.)

The larger corps/alliances however will still be costly to wardec. They will be wardecc'd undoubtedly, but probably not anymore than they currently are. Even worse, a lot of these larger corps/alliances will be nullsec based, and won't actually care about their HS POCOs except as free tax income. (they don't have to do anything for upkeep and if anyone wants to do PI "safely" they either have to rocket launch, which is useless as a longterm solution, or they pay taxes to... well basically goons since they'll setup some PI interdiction campaign.

So eventually most HS planets will either have a POCO for a nullsec alliance that isn't actually running PI, just collecting taxes, or the planet will have no customs office at all and there will be no point in setting one up since it will be wardecc'd and taken down long before you recover the investment.


So yeah, basically no more hisec PI. I have no idea what CCP wants to do with this, but whatever it is I really doubt it's going to work. There won't be more conflict, just less PI and a new Nullsec passive income source.

Wormhole PI on the other hand will probably become even more lucrative, so it's not all bad.
Wasse
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2013-09-26 21:33:39 UTC
The real question is will the null-sec alliances be able to put aside their differences to divy up different portions of high-sec.

If so, well, lol. Sorry high-sec.

Grozen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-09-26 21:34:39 UTC
The bulk of PI goods comes from WHs not hi-sec or 0.0.If you want to shutdown pi you need to get into whs.Most pocos there are not even owned by corps.

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Chinicata Shihari
Perkone
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-09-26 21:35:11 UTC
It's not like miniluv had already thought of this idea or anything...
Weynard
Hauptberufliche Steuerhinterzieher
Sandbaggers United
#29 - 2013-09-26 21:39:29 UTC
**** Hisec. Burn it all.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-09-26 21:40:09 UTC
OMG THE SKY IS FALLING!

Once the, admittedly hilarious, tear extraction value tapers off, nullsec alliances will largely leave hisec pocos alone.

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Silex Vulcanos
Enlightened Industries
Goonswarm Federation
#31 - 2013-09-26 21:40:14 UTC
I don't know what all the panic is about. It's not like Goons have ever done anything to disrupt the peaceful lives of hisec carebears...Blink
Jackie Arkaral
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2013-09-26 21:40:56 UTC
At the very least they should require some sort of faction standings similiar to Hi-Sec Pos.

Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-09-26 21:41:04 UTC
Chad Wylder wrote:
So eventually most HS planets will either have a POCO for a nullsec alliance that isn't actually running PI, just collecting taxes


This is fantastic news. If we make enough from our highsec POCOs hopefully we can initiate a pogrom on our renters.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise

Suzuka A1
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-09-26 21:45:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Suzuka A1
I hear CFC renters can choose their own PI taxes. CCP seems to be pushing people into 0.0

Here is a link if you'd like to start renting and tell Mr Omniblivion, Clewara, Chinicata Shihari and/or Dyllyn that I sent you.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3552973#post3552973

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Zombie Assassin2
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-09-26 21:48:59 UTC
How high of a price can you put on tears ? We will see soon.
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2013-09-26 21:49:49 UTC
Suzuka A1 wrote:
I hear CFC renters can choose their own PI taxes. CCP seems to be pushing people into 0.0


That is true. 0% tax factory planets are very profitable. Rent your own PBLRD system today.

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Chad Wylder
Rusty Bucket Bay
#37 - 2013-09-26 21:52:48 UTC
Rhes wrote:
Chad Wylder wrote:
So eventually most HS planets will either have a POCO for a nullsec alliance that isn't actually running PI, just collecting taxes


This is fantastic news. If we make enough from our highsec POCOs hopefully we can initiate a pogrom on our renters.

Makes me wonder if there might be a way to get the renters to front the cost for all those HS POCOs for a lowered/waived rental fee for a period of time.

I have no idea if said renters could setup the POCOs in the alliance's name or if they'd just have to pay the cost for them upfront though.

Also not sure it'd be necessary. I imagine you guys are pretty ok on ISK. But something to consider I guess.

Or wait, can you set POCO taxes based on standings? If so you could probably have HS renters. (pay a fee per week/month for 0% taxes on PI. Fees paid per system) Like mining permits, but for PI. Everyone else is just locked out from doing PI with those POCOs. (I think you can do that, right?)
Maegor Stark
State War Academy
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-09-26 22:00:48 UTC
who does high-sec PI anyways? Might as well just scratch your balls and hope ISK drops to the floor. That **** is evne worse than mining.
Red Templar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2013-09-26 22:00:50 UTC
Well high sec players are gonna try and siphon null moons. And null will be siphoning POCOs. Lets see who wins!

Though im pretty sure that EC- gate campers are gonna come on top in this transaction either way.

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Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2013-09-26 22:05:06 UTC
Maegor Stark wrote:
who does high-sec PI anyways? Might as well just scratch your balls and hope ISK drops to the floor. That **** is evne worse than mining.


Nearly everyone who runs factory planets.

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