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A review of player giveaways with CCP and third party sites

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#141 - 2013-09-26 20:34:08 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
If the CFC sponsored an event like EVE Vega and sold tickets for ISK and/or cash with CCP's permission, or hosted a competitive tournament (accepting entry fee's of course) I could certainly see CCP sponsoring some of the prizes for you to hand out.


EVE Vegas is an event that actually develops the community. A gambling event is not.

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Innominate
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#142 - 2013-09-26 20:35:10 UTC
Cursan Voran wrote:

All the other unique ships have a story around them like tournament prizes or really special events. These new ships will always be just some crap you could win on an out of game lottery.


Worse, they will forever be a symbol of CCP favoritism and an already rich in-game service being given a massive pile of isk with no accountability whatsoever.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#143 - 2013-09-26 20:35:13 UTC
Ranger, the fact that you don't see the problem with CCP backing and providing assets/isk for a particular player organisation who operate for their own profits and goals is just astonishing
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#144 - 2013-09-26 20:36:32 UTC
Zaxix wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Andski wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Whom, exactly, are they competing with in game?


EOH Poker and The BIG Lottery just to name two fairly prominent examples that you should know better than to disregard.

So either one of them is more worthy of sponsorship? Or should none of them be considered for something like this because of the nature of the service they offer?

How about Chribba? Is he the only person or organization in EVE worthy of CCP sponsorship for an event?

Or is what you are really saying is that CCP should never sponsor any 3rd party group of players or organizations? If so, that is a valid point for debate and is far more worthy of discussion that casting frankly imaginary stones.

Why on earth should CCP be giving out piles of ISK to any player for any reason? If third party sites are deserving of rewards, are the free accounts CCP gives out not enough? The bottom line is that this methodology isn't transparent and doesn't serve any clear purpose. If CCP doesn't give out piles of free isk, are these sites going to close their doors? No. If they're rewarding them for community involvement, why pick and choose between all the people doing so? Why not give them all piles of free isk? What makes one site more deserving than another? Why aren't they handing out positively GIANT piles of isk to the EVEmon, Pyfa, EFT, and Dotlan. I'm willing to bet that those guys have done more for the game and more for players than anyone in EVE. I'm willing to bet more people have used those tools than have even heard of Somer.

All of those organization are potential recipients of sponsorship, remember this is a new initiative from CCP to encourage 3rd party community organizations. If they sponsor events where CCP sponsorship would be possible they will no doubt be considered. Reality has to kick in here though, they can't do everything at once.

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Maraner
The Executioners
#145 - 2013-09-26 20:36:54 UTC
Hmm okay, probably would have been better to talk to the CSM about this before announcing the original prizes... are we learning yet CCP?

At least the response has been reasonable and quick.

Why not make it a criminal / organized crime type theme for the skins on the new ships - boot legger/gambling/Capone type deal, will fit in with Somer Blink nicely.

CCP Zul... opps Navigator, gets a C- for at least reacting quickly. Report card says could do better.

Xaen
Telepathic Death Mimes
#146 - 2013-09-26 20:37:09 UTC
Cursan Voran wrote:
Djana Libra wrote:
Thank you for saving history at least.

I still wonder how these new ships will be entered lore wise into the game.


Badly?

All the other unique ships have a story around them like tournament prizes or really special events. These new ships will always be just some crap you could win on an out of game lottery.


Yay, stuff for rich people and SomerSuckers™!

I get shouty crackers a lot. Deal with it.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#147 - 2013-09-26 20:38:20 UTC
Andski wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
If the CFC sponsored an event like EVE Vega and sold tickets for ISK and/or cash with CCP's permission, or hosted a competitive tournament (accepting entry fee's of course) I could certainly see CCP sponsoring some of the prizes for you to hand out.


EVE Vegas is an event that actually develops the community. A gambling event is not.

That's somewhat debatable as gambling services are in rather high demand in EVE.

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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#148 - 2013-09-26 20:39:32 UTC  |  Edited by: TheGunslinger42
I find it telling that the body of player representatives that was formed as a result of a dev spawning items for a particular player organisation was not consulted on the decision to have devs spawn items for a particular player organisation
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#149 - 2013-09-26 20:40:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Ranger 1 wrote:
That's somewhat debatable as gambling services are in rather high demand in EVE.


So are supercapital builders. What if CCP encouraged players to buy supers from a specific builder for a chance at winning CCP sponsored prizes? There is absolutely no difference between what CCP is doing right now and spawning T2 BPOs for an alliance, absolutely none.

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PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#150 - 2013-09-26 20:40:15 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:

All of those organization are potential recipients of sponsorship, remember this is a new initiative from CCP to encourage 3rd party community organizations. If they sponsor events where CCP sponsorship would be possible they will no doubt be considered. Reality has to kick in here though, they can't do everything at once.

So more 3rd party favoritism is planned. Lovely. Why don't the devs just give a bunch of Jove bpo's to the alliance they think wins eve, and call it a day?

Obviously the whole non-interference thing has gone out the window, and the sandbox has been thoroughly pissed in. And now, it turns out CCP plans to continue to **** in the sand box. Wonderful.
Bronco Platz
Doomheim
#151 - 2013-09-26 20:40:53 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Zaxix wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Andski wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Whom, exactly, are they competing with in game?


EOH Poker and The BIG Lottery just to name two fairly prominent examples that you should know better than to disregard.

So either one of them is more worthy of sponsorship? Or should none of them be considered for something like this because of the nature of the service they offer?

How about Chribba? Is he the only person or organization in EVE worthy of CCP sponsorship for an event?

Or is what you are really saying is that CCP should never sponsor any 3rd party group of players or organizations? If so, that is a valid point for debate and is far more worthy of discussion that casting frankly imaginary stones.

Why on earth should CCP be giving out piles of ISK to any player for any reason? If third party sites are deserving of rewards, are the free accounts CCP gives out not enough? The bottom line is that this methodology isn't transparent and doesn't serve any clear purpose. If CCP doesn't give out piles of free isk, are these sites going to close their doors? No. If they're rewarding them for community involvement, why pick and choose between all the people doing so? Why not give them all piles of free isk? What makes one site more deserving than another? Why aren't they handing out positively GIANT piles of isk to the EVEmon, Pyfa, EFT, and Dotlan. I'm willing to bet that those guys have done more for the game and more for players than anyone in EVE. I'm willing to bet more people have used those tools than have even heard of Somer.

All of those organization are potential recipients of sponsorship, remember this is a new initiative from CCP to encourage 3rd party community organizations. If they sponsor events where CCP sponsorship would be possible they will no doubt be considered. Reality has to kick in here though, they can't do everything at once.


And how will they decide which Level of sponsorship they get? Is it about how "Buddy" you are with the Devs?

This signature is under NDA. Sorry.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#152 - 2013-09-26 20:40:53 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Ranger, the fact that you don't see the problem with CCP backing and providing assets/isk for a particular player organisation who operate for their own profits and goals is just astonishing

Truthfully, I view this as an honest attempt to provide CCP backing to prominent organizations in the community... handled in perhaps the clumsiest way imaginable, but their intentions are fairly clear and honest I believe.

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Nairb Hig
Feathered Exploration
#153 - 2013-09-26 20:41:39 UTC
As someone who doesn't gamble nor have that much isk, I am astonished at just how little content this event creates for me. I can't imagine anything could create LESS content for me.
Xaen
Telepathic Death Mimes
#154 - 2013-09-26 20:42:26 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Ranger, the fact that you don't see the problem with CCP backing and providing assets/isk for a particular player organisation who operate for their own profits and goals is just astonishing

Truthfully, I view this as an honest attempt to provide CCP backing to prominent organizations in the community... handled in perhaps the clumsiest way imaginable, but their intentions are fairly clear and honest I believe.


The road to bankruptcy is paved with good intentions.

I get shouty crackers a lot. Deal with it.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#155 - 2013-09-26 20:42:47 UTC
Andski wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
That's somewhat debatable as gambling services are in rather high demand in EVE.


So are supercapital builders. What if CCP encouraged players to buy supers from a specific builder for a chance at winning CCP sponsored prizes? There is absolutely no difference between what CCP is doing right now and spawning T2 BPOs for an alliance, absolutely none.

That depends, are the super capital builders sponsoring Titan give away contests to their customers?

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Abernie
Thoroughly Incompetent
#156 - 2013-09-26 20:43:48 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Ranger, the fact that you don't see the problem with CCP backing and providing assets/isk for a particular player organisation who operate for their own profits and goals is just astonishing

Truthfully, I view this as an honest attempt to provide CCP backing to prominent organizations in the community... handled in perhaps the clumsiest way imaginable, but their intentions are fairly clear and honest I believe.

CCP backing in form of a trillion isk and unique ships and/or paid trips to Iceland to give to whoever they please. Good start for this program. Can't wait to see how they top this!
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#157 - 2013-09-26 20:43:58 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Truthfully, I view this as an honest attempt to provide CCP backing to prominent organizations in the community... handled in perhaps the clumsiest way imaginable, but their intentions are fairly clear and honest I believe.


The last time CCP backed a "prominent organization" they ended up in a media disaster that destroyed their reputation with the playerbase. People have regularly accused CCP of favoritism towards in-game organizations since.

This is blatant favoritism.

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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#158 - 2013-09-26 20:45:16 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Andski wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
That's somewhat debatable as gambling services are in rather high demand in EVE.


So are supercapital builders. What if CCP encouraged players to buy supers from a specific builder for a chance at winning CCP sponsored prizes? There is absolutely no difference between what CCP is doing right now and spawning T2 BPOs for an alliance, absolutely none.

That depends, are the super capital builders sponsoring Titan give away contests to their customers?


Lets say yes. But lets also say that even if you factor in the titan give aways, they are still raking in a personal profit - and that personal profit is indeed the goal of their organisation.
Eternal Error
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#159 - 2013-09-26 20:45:47 UTC
Innominate wrote:
Way to miss the point.

The giving away of unique ships IS an issue, but it's not even the main issue.

YOU ARE GIVING A FOR-PROFIT GROUP HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS(now possibly TRILLIONS) OF ISK WITH NO STRINGS ATTACHED.

Edit:
I would like to run a promotion, you can send me one (1) coupon good for an all expenses paid trip to fanfest, I promise my winning of my own lottery will be entirely fair and well accounted for.

This.

I'm glad you're not distributing those ships, but this is still all kinds of messed up. You shouldn't run things like this through a player-owned group.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#160 - 2013-09-26 20:46:04 UTC

Quote:
And how will they decide which Level of sponsorship they get? Is it about how "Buddy" you are with the Devs?

That would obviously be up to them and their Internal Affairs department. I can speculate that a lot would depend on how popular the "services" the organization provides are, and how much of the EVE community is affected by them.

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