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A review of player giveaways with CCP and third party sites

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Abernie
Thoroughly Incompetent
#121 - 2013-09-26 20:13:46 UTC
Zaxix wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
I find it incredibly hard to believe that CCP have addressed the minor issue of what the prizes were

but have stuck to their decision to, as a developer, give a gigantic boost to the popularity, success, and profits to a specific player organisation.

Even if SOMER are completely trust worthy, and do indeed give away all the ships fairly, the fact that they are getting special limited edition items from CCP will unfairly give them an advantage when competing with other organisations who run similar competitions.

It means that SOMER are the only entity in which a player can go to for an attempt to get these things. And of course, all of the profits from the entries? SOMER keeps those to fund their activities and further their own goals.

It is simply unacceptable.

Sponsoring 3rd party sites and organizations is completely acceptable, and is to be applauded.


Not when that third party is competing within the game against other third parties, and not unless CCP audit everything and guarantee that not a single isk in profit is made as a result of their little give away

Whom, exactly, are they competing with in game?

BIG, to name just one.

And everyone else, to name the rest. Considering EVE is a 100% PvP game and all that jazz.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#122 - 2013-09-26 20:14:39 UTC
Andski wrote:
I think Ranger 1 somehow confuses Somer Blink for a charity.

No my friend, I don't. They are an organization made up of EVE players making their ISK in a creative way. Good for them.

Or are we now to the point that we are going to say they don't provide a popular service for EVE players, and are not worthy of sponsorship to run a special event?

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#123 - 2013-09-26 20:14:46 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Whom, exactly, are they competing with in game?


EOH Poker and The BIG Lottery just to name two fairly prominent examples that you should know better than to disregard.

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#124 - 2013-09-26 20:15:20 UTC
This only serves to create a monopoly on certain forms of gameplay based on which players CCP likes.

If you have the choice between going with Group A, Group B, or Group C for a certain type of play - say a lottery - but you know Group C get limited edition shinies from the developer that are worth tens of billions and which have a tiny finite number... are you ever going to go play with Group A or B?

And when Group C is not a charity, but is an organisation that is ran for its own profit and goals...

this is just a revolting idea
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#125 - 2013-09-26 20:15:44 UTC
Andski wrote:
I think Ranger 1 somehow confuses Somer Blink for a charity.

Based on his pro CCP "can do no wrong" opinions throughout the star gate animation thread and the walking in stations fiasco thread, I think he is really trying hard to get a job at CCP as a yes man...

...or he's a dev alt.
Xaen
Telepathic Death Mimes
#126 - 2013-09-26 20:16:04 UTC
Andski wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/n72XLyb.png

Does this clear up doubt about this deal being hilariously beneficial for Somer?

You may see that exact same graph on their website under "Statistics." I'm sure Somer will enjoy raking at least twice the ISK he would otherwise make during the same time period, plus his kickbacks from Markee Dragon, in exchange for acting as a middleman for CCP and giving some dudes in Vegas some petty prizes.


EVE Online corruption and graft, brought to you by CCP, Somer Blink: The only scam officially endorsed by CCP! and SomerSuckers™ like you!

still mad

I get shouty crackers a lot. Deal with it.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#127 - 2013-09-26 20:16:54 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Or are we now to the point that we are going to say they don't provide a popular service for EVE players, and are not worthy of sponsorship to run a special event?


Of course they shouldn't get sponsorship. They're an in-game organization composed of a group of players who should not get any sort of special treatment from CCP.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Xaen
Telepathic Death Mimes
#128 - 2013-09-26 20:17:11 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Andski wrote:
I think Ranger 1 somehow confuses Somer Blink for a charity.

No my friend, I don't. They are an organization made up of EVE players making their ISK in a creative way. Good for them.

Or are we now to the point that we are going to say they don't provide a popular service for EVE players, and are not worthy of sponsorship to run a special event?


Somer Blink is the only scam in EVE endorsed by CCP. Therefore all other scams and methods of play are pointless.


That's what this EULA violating favoritism does.^

I get shouty crackers a lot. Deal with it.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#129 - 2013-09-26 20:18:19 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Andski wrote:
I think Ranger 1 somehow confuses Somer Blink for a charity.

No my friend, I don't. They are an organization made up of EVE players making their ISK in a creative way. Good for them.

Or are we now to the point that we are going to say they don't provide a popular service for EVE players, and are not worthy of sponsorship to run a special event?


It is fantastic that players can make their isk in such creative ways

The developer of the game should not step in and hand them hundreds of billions more on top of it though, because that is incredibly unfair. It destroys the concepts of fair, balanced gameplay if a dev simply picks the group he likes the most, or who he thinks is the best, and hands them T2 B--... err I mean limited edition prizes
Red Templar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#130 - 2013-09-26 20:19:12 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Andski wrote:
I think Ranger 1 somehow confuses Somer Blink for a charity.

No my friend, I don't. They are an organization made up of EVE players making their ISK in a creative way. Good for them.

Or are we now to the point that we are going to say they don't provide a popular service for EVE players, and are not worthy of sponsorship to run a special event?

There is plenty of popular services that are non-profit. Why not use one of them?

And if that organization made any profit from CCP decision - its favoritism. Thats what we have problem with.

And they are makin profit. I havent seen single statement that they are giving away ALL isk they made, or that its going to be checked in any way.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#131 - 2013-09-26 20:19:39 UTC
Andski wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Whom, exactly, are they competing with in game?


EOH Poker and The BIG Lottery just to name two fairly prominent examples that you should know better than to disregard.

So either one of them is more worthy of sponsorship? Or should none of them be considered for something like this because of the nature of the service they offer?

How about Chribba? Is he the only person or organization in EVE worthy of CCP sponsorship for an event?

Or is what you are really saying is that CCP should never sponsor any 3rd party group of players or organizations? If so, that is a valid point for debate and is far more worthy of discussion that casting frankly imaginary stones.

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Xaen
Telepathic Death Mimes
#132 - 2013-09-26 20:20:02 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Andski wrote:
I think Ranger 1 somehow confuses Somer Blink for a charity.

No my friend, I don't. They are an organization made up of EVE players making their ISK in a creative way. Good for them.

Or are we now to the point that we are going to say they don't provide a popular service for EVE players, and are not worthy of sponsorship to run a special event?


It is fantastic that players can make their isk in such creative ways

The developer of the game should not step in and hand them hundreds of billions more on top of it though, because that is incredibly unfair. It destroys the concepts of fair, balanced gameplay if a dev simply picks the group he likes the most, or who he thinks is the best, and hands them T2 B--... err I mean limited edition prizes


I agree.

I have no more beef with Somer than any other in-game scammer.

What I have a HUGE problem with is them being the only scam in EVE officially endorsed by CCP to the point that it's blatant corruption and graft.

I'm just going to leave this here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald's_Monopoly#Fraud

I get shouty crackers a lot. Deal with it.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#133 - 2013-09-26 20:22:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Ranger 1 wrote:
So either one of them is more worthy of sponsorship? Or should none of them be considered for something like this because of the nature of the service they offer?

How about Chribba? Is he the only person or organization in EVE worthy of CCP sponsorship for an event?

Or is what you are really saying is that CCP should never sponsor any 3rd party group of players or organizations? If so, that is a valid point for debate and is far more worthy of discussion that casting frankly imaginary stones.


What if CCP decides to give away a free all-expenses paid trip to a random person who signs up to rent space from the CFC? It's a service we're providing and renting is a popular service! It's not favoritism guys they're just supporting players providing valuable services to the community out of the goodness of their hearts. Of course Goonswarm will get a gigantic windfall in a very short amount of time that they'll use to their advantage in the cutthroat PvP environment that is EVE but that doesn't matter because they're helping the community!

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Djana Libra
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#134 - 2013-09-26 20:23:40 UTC
Thank you for saving history at least.

I still wonder how these new ships will be entered lore wise into the game.
Nanatoa
#135 - 2013-09-26 20:26:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Nanatoa
WTF I just spent 16 billion on Blinks to get a once-in-a-lifetime shot at a Gold Magnate, literally The Stuff Of Legends - and you change the prizes? Can I get my 16 billion back?

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
Zaxix
State War Academy
Caldari State
#136 - 2013-09-26 20:26:30 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Andski wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Whom, exactly, are they competing with in game?


EOH Poker and The BIG Lottery just to name two fairly prominent examples that you should know better than to disregard.

So either one of them is more worthy of sponsorship? Or should none of them be considered for something like this because of the nature of the service they offer?

How about Chribba? Is he the only person or organization in EVE worthy of CCP sponsorship for an event?

Or is what you are really saying is that CCP should never sponsor any 3rd party group of players or organizations? If so, that is a valid point for debate and is far more worthy of discussion that casting frankly imaginary stones.

Why on earth should CCP be giving out piles of ISK to any player for any reason? If third party sites are deserving of rewards, are the free accounts CCP gives out not enough? The bottom line is that this methodology isn't transparent and doesn't serve any clear purpose. If CCP doesn't give out piles of free isk, are these sites going to close their doors? No. If they're rewarding them for community involvement, why pick and choose between all the people doing so? Why not give them all piles of free isk? What makes one site more deserving than another? Why aren't they handing out positively GIANT piles of isk to the EVEmon, Pyfa, EFT, and Dotlan. I'm willing to bet that those guys have done more for the game and more for players than anyone in EVE. I'm willing to bet more people have used those tools than have even heard of Somer.

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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#137 - 2013-09-26 20:26:59 UTC
Djana Libra wrote:
Thank you for saving history at least.

I still wonder how these new ships will be entered lore wise into the game.


Is there much point in preserving the history of the game if you are undermining the fairness and arbitrarily stepping in to give your personal favourites special things that no one else has?

I'd rather a fair and balanced game with a patchy, inconsistent history than one in which the developer literally steps in to help the people they like succeed over others
Abernie
Thoroughly Incompetent
#138 - 2013-09-26 20:29:15 UTC
Nanatoa wrote:
WTF I just spent 16 billion on Blinks to get a once-in-a-lifetime shot at a Gold Magnate, literally The Stuff Of Legends - and you change the prices? Can I get my 16 billion back?

That's up to somer blink, this is a 3rd party event after all. (Read: No.)
Cursan Voran
Jita Traders Society
#139 - 2013-09-26 20:30:18 UTC
Djana Libra wrote:
Thank you for saving history at least.

I still wonder how these new ships will be entered lore wise into the game.


Badly?

All the other unique ships have a story around them like tournament prizes or really special events. These new ships will always be just some crap you could win on an out of game lottery.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#140 - 2013-09-26 20:33:08 UTC
Andski wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
So either one of them is more worthy of sponsorship? Or should none of them be considered for something like this because of the nature of the service they offer?

How about Chribba? Is he the only person or organization in EVE worthy of CCP sponsorship for an event?

Or is what you are really saying is that CCP should never sponsor any 3rd party group of players or organizations? If so, that is a valid point for debate and is far more worthy of discussion that casting frankly imaginary stones.


What if CCP decides to give away a free all-expenses paid trip to a random person who signs up to rent space from the CFC? It's a service we're providing and renting is a popular service! It's not favoritism guys they're just supporting players providing valuable services to the community out of the goodness of their hearts. Of course Goonswarm will get a gigantic windfall in a very short amount of time that they'll use to their advantage in the cutthroat PvP environment that is EVE but that doesn't matter because they're helping the community!

If the CFC sponsored an event like EVE Vega and sold tickets for ISK and/or cash with CCP's permission, or hosted a competitive tournament (accepting entry fee's of course) I could certainly see CCP sponsoring some of the prizes for you to hand out.

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