EVE General Discussion

You know, I'd be happy if CCP would at least respond and say WHY they thought this was a good idea. Just one simple, logical reason why this makes sense in EVE.

The only real answer I can imagine is that it makes CCP feel good about themselves. As in, "look what these players did with our sandbox. Here's a cookie!" Which then begs the question "but isn't it SUPPOSED to be a hands-off sandbox?"

Seriously, what other reason exists other than mastabatory self congratulation? It can't be "recognition for unique ways of using the sandbox" because it was kept secret. Likewise, how is it a good idea to reward insanely wealthy corps with more isk? How is that even a reward? Would the U.S. government give a huge stack of cash to Bill Gates because he's done so much to promote personal computing and job creation?

What's scary is that I know there are forum posters and CSMs that will read those above statements and find ways to defend them . . .

So, CCP: why on Bob's Green Earth did you think that this was necessary. And of course, the follow up question, that probably applies regardless of your answer: are you sure there wasn't a much, much better way to achieve that goal?

Just please don't tell me this was a social experiment to see how ass backwards you could handle a game that touts its sandbox nature, through openly vouching for certain corporations and secretly making others wealthy on your own private whims, all in an attempt to see how far you can change the game without sparking a mass exodus.

As such, this thread is locked for being redundant. Centralizing topics helps have a coherent discussion, and makes it easier for both players and CCP to keep up with it.

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Since when do you centralize a topic by closing the thread discussing it and diverting posters to 2 different threads which have nothing to do with the issue in question?

Reposted in this thread as the other one was locked

If you believe this is jealousy (and this really does explain the csm's reaction if they share this thought) Then at least in my case your wrong. This should not be happening to anyone giving out anything more than a plex or a free account is seriously game changing unless they've done something to earn it in game like win a tourny. I'm really sorry you feel this way and I think your missing the point.

This isn't about somer either but I'll use them as an example. If they now take the profits from selling these ships and from the lotteries from the other give aways they can potentially use hundreds of billions of isk (if not a trillion) to fund an alliance or a coalition and break the balance of eve online. While this is content creation and would be good for the game in the long run it is unfair that ccp has anything to do with this.

I'm not a member of one of the big coalitions I'm just a scrub in a lowsec corp atm. This won't effect me in a really big way but its not fair or part of the sandbox that ccp should be affecting it like this. People need to work hard in game for in game benefits. If they want to support these sites then give them out of game loot, Support for running their servers or a special non sellable item which can't be transferred or a in game medal which means they have some bragging power not some game changing items.

Do ccp have a PR guy because any decent one would tear his or her hair out at a company not looking at us and wondering maybe they might get annoyed.

And so the great forum purging begins, moving threads to their death in subforums, locking threads and pointing the discussion to random, completely unrelated threads, etc

Does anyone know if Somer has contributed to the FIction contests in previous years? what other stuff do they do for the community?

CCP has made a final decision and ranting is not productive. They have been pretty clear. Im not sucking up just talking business. Rant time is over. Take some deep breaths and lets think about what can be improved

Yeah - I totally agree - unfortunately they seem to overreact - CCP should absolutely break down any resistance opposing somer blink.

Somer Blink is great - no discussion about that.

However, locking constructive proposals for similary great future CCP/community joint-vemtures is beyond me.

Can I sue them if they start making business with my idea on their own?

Five Finger Army wrote :
(I had to read several posts of yours to get the sense of humour intended, so I assume that it is sardonic in its tone...)
Yeah - I totally agree - unfortunately they seem to overreact - CCP should absolutely break down any resistance opposing somer blink.

Somer Blink is great - no discussion about that.

However, locking constructive proposals for similary great future CCP/community joint-vemtures is beyond me.

Can I sue them if they start making business with my idea on their own?

what do you mean though? I devote a lot of time to Eve Fiction. A lot of energy too. I would like to see it succeed!

As for somer blink, Yeah I never said anything about them being great that is an inference you have drawn.

Did you know that a single incursion community has an income of 114 Billion isk a day. In less than a week, a single incursion community makes the scale of money you are talking about here. And that isn't counting the value of the LP involved.
Null sec alliances will be turning even more isk over every single day from all the ratters running anoms, not counting moon goo, PI, or any other non instant isk source.
(Incursions crafted on 4 HQ sites an hour, 23 hours a day, 40 man fleets, it can be faster with some fleets, fairly obvious which community I mean in this case)

A Trillion isk will not significantly affect the meta of the entire game. It may provide a smaller group a nice bump to grow a bit. But in the grand scheme of things, 1000 rifters (Quoth Marlona's flight except that was more than 1000) is several billion. 1000 battleships = 200 Billion. So it's not like it's 1000 titans or anything that crazy. I recognise it's a significant amount of isk, 'IF' and that is a BIG if, they converted every single ship into pure isk. And most of them didn't keep them as spinning hanger queens.

Complaining about the isk is pointless, because it's purely theoretical isk for a start, that requires conversion at those prices which certainly isn't going to happen now people know they aren't that rare. And the isk is small change in the grand 500,000 account economy of EVE.

What is of relevance is setting up a better program to go forward with that lets players know about occurrences in a theoretically unbiased manner (i.e. Tinfoil hat brigade can always claim bias, but if on paper it isn't biased that's a good start at least)

Please provide some basis for this assertion. Simply asserting it doesn't make it true, and the scale of the EVE economy is significantly larger than that. If you can show a basis for it, I'm happy to reconsider.

But they already have the SRP in said major alliances. You could run a medium size alliance, after you build it sure. For.... Two months. I don't see how a medium size alliance for a brief period of time would actually create a significant shift in the game. Nor would it simply happen because you have the isk. You would have to put a lot of hard work in regardless. Which would be the real thing. The isk is just convenience initially, but for the amount of work to make an alliance work, you could easily have earned that isk anyway.