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A review of player giveaways with CCP and third party sites

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Grendell
Technologies Unlimited
#261 - 2013-09-26 23:03:42 UTC
Well at least CPP sorted out the whole issue with unique ships from way back when.Blink

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Symbiotes
Genesis Nation
Goonswarm Federation
#262 - 2013-09-26 23:04:18 UTC
CCP breaking their own TOS rules on implying favoritism within a week of heated debate over said TOS? CHECK

Pull the plug on this already CCP, its a bad idea and should never even have been considered.
Nanatoa
#263 - 2013-09-26 23:04:43 UTC
arabella blood wrote:
Thanks to all bittervet RP lore loving players who missed the actualy point, we now have this pitiful solution.

The point is not introducing back the ships, the point is the use of Blink to do it.


Thanks for deciding what THE point is. Thank god we're living in a world where there's only one point to every issue. Imagine how complex things might be if there would be multiple points, or even different points for different people!

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#264 - 2013-09-26 23:05:53 UTC
CCP can i have some free new unique ships as well please.


I haven't run any rigged lotteries yet but I promise to start soon if you give me a few 100bn ISK in unique ships.
Hra Neuvosto
Party Cat Enterprises
#265 - 2013-09-26 23:08:30 UTC
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
CCP can i have some free new unique ships as well please.


I haven't run any rigged lotteries yet but I promise to start soon if you give me a few 100bn ISK in unique ships.

How many GTCs would you estimate you could sell with your product?
Liquid'Courage
The Hatchery
RAZOR Alliance
#266 - 2013-09-26 23:13:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Liquid'Courage
BLerchg wrote:
i really hope that the CSM rips you a new one for showing this kind of blatant favorism

+1.

I could understand giving it to Somer Blink if they were a CCP created and controlled entity. But it is a player created and controlled for-profit entity. Blatant favouritism.

The only way I'd see this working out is if CCP was to eliminate 100% of the isk profited by Somer Blink through these specific transactions. It would be an awesome way to sink about a trillion isk from the game, which is already suffering from having to much isk in too many pockets as it is.

EDIT - and even then, how do we know that it's not going to be rigged? It's already pretty obvious that, given the odds of winning any individual blink, which become essentially insurmountable when the number of blinks played increases to a large enough value, there must be some kind of rigging going on to have so many people with such huge winnings over a long period of time.
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#267 - 2013-09-26 23:14:04 UTC
Hra Neuvosto wrote:
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
CCP can i have some free new unique ships as well please.


I haven't run any rigged lotteries yet but I promise to start soon if you give me a few 100bn ISK in unique ships.

How many GTCs would you estimate you could sell with your product?


Oh, at least 100. I won't even need to pay out any plex for fanfest as I'm getting a couple of passes anyway.
Abernie
Thoroughly Incompetent
#268 - 2013-09-26 23:14:47 UTC
Hra Neuvosto wrote:
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
CCP can i have some free new unique ships as well please.


I haven't run any rigged lotteries yet but I promise to start soon if you give me a few 100bn ISK in unique ships.

How many GTCs would you estimate you could sell with your product?

Free Pro Tip: One ticket per GTC bought. Boom. Millions of GTC sold. Big smile
Abernie
Thoroughly Incompetent
#269 - 2013-09-26 23:17:25 UTC
Liquid'Courage wrote:
BLerchg wrote:
i really hope that the CSM rips you a new one for showing this kind of blatant favorism

+1.

I could understand giving it to Somer Blink if they were a CCP created and controlled entity. But it is a player created and controlled for-profit entity. Blatant favouritism.

The only way I'd see this working out is if CCP was to eliminate 100% of the isk profited by Somer Blink through these specific transactions. It would be an awesome way to sink about a trillion isk from the game, which is already suffering from having to much isk in too many pockets as it is.
Where is the CSM anyway? Not a single post (with content) after Trebor's initial post about CCP leaving CSM completely out of the loop about this.
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#270 - 2013-09-26 23:18:45 UTC  |  Edited by: KIller Wabbit
Well at least this might have been a bit of a pin prick in the price of PLEX. Down 28M today

Makes you wonder if the 2 week price ramp was due to leaking of this "event" to speculators. Gee - CCP IA will be able to get all over that, eh? Oh wait - it's a "trusted" site. np
Arazel Chainfire
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#271 - 2013-09-26 23:35:15 UTC
Congrats on giving in to the idiot whiners. Yes, there was only 1 gold magnate, and it hasn't been in the game for nearly 9 years at this point. But for some reason it is still kept in the database, and people can still look it up. And now it will never see the light of day again.

Yes, there is history in eve. No, that history shouldn't be completely ignored. However, adding 2 new gold magnates isn't going to break the game, or change their value (it had none, it didn't exist). Adding 3 more guardian vexors isn't going to significantly change their value. Hell, with CCP adding additional ships, people might actually use them as they are no longer limited run hanger ornaments. And that last part is the most important one - ships in eve should be in eve to be used. Not to sit around in hangers never to undock. Heck, if you want, you could even go as far as to say "There will always be 2 gold magnates in the game - if one is destroyed, a new one will be released somehow at a later date." Or "There will always be 50 of each tournament ship - if some are destroyed, then more will be released somehow at a later date." By putting a limit on how many are allowed out MAX, they will still be rare and valuable, but by adding a way for more to be added, they might actually be used. That would be far better for these ships and this game than the current state of affairs.

-Arazel
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
Heroes and Villains.
#272 - 2013-09-26 23:36:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Boom Boom Longtime
Kirren D'marr wrote:
Boom Boom Longtime wrote:
I'd just love CCP to clarify on how this is a "community event", when clearly some aspects of the community are excluded from participating based on the enforcement of self appointed rules by a 3rd party entity not regulated by CCP per se.

This entity is governed by the same EULA as we all have to adhere to, sure.

In this instance however, CCP has effectively given another player / entity / website (effectively an out of game tool) the ability to dictate / choose whether i, as a paying eve customer can participate in content CCP has created (in game), or not.

I'd specifically like clarification on if this is meant to be a community event accessible to all paying subscribers who comply with the EULA - why i am currently unable to participate even if i wanted to as this character ?

Why am i being discriminated against?


Especially in light of recent events where CCP representatives had to pull out of player-run RP chat channels due to some players being excluded by the actions of other players, this whole situation of letting a player-run third party regulate who can participate in this lottery appears highly hypocritical.

CCP have effectively empowered a non affiliated 3rd party to hold judge and jury over rare and expensive in-game items with little thought to what that entails.

By empowered, i specifically refer to the fact that CCP have allowed another player with a EULA abiding, yet none the less, gambling, isk profit making, non-ccp regulated (nor company principle related) website to be in a position (out of game), to influence matters for subscription paying players(in-game), based on them being directly given free exclusive **** to profit even further from?

CCP - i would like you to clarify why i am currently unable to access / log into the 3rd party site somer blink to participate in this lottery since this is a "community event". Surely this is open to all your active eve subscribers ?

I'd rather not make the point but this is not a community event if a 3rd party can choose who has a chance to win your in-game rare items or not based on extenuating circumstances.

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Klyith
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#273 - 2013-09-26 23:37:03 UTC
Symbiotes wrote:
CCP breaking their own TOS rules on implying favoritism within a week of heated debate over said TOS? CHECK

Nah, it's only against the TOS to imply favoritism. Actual blatant favoritism is perfectly ok.
arabella blood
Keyboard Jihad
#274 - 2013-09-27 00:00:40 UTC
Nanatoa wrote:
arabella blood wrote:
Thanks to all bittervet RP lore loving players who missed the actualy point, we now have this pitiful solution.

The point is not introducing back the ships, the point is the use of Blink to do it.


Thanks for deciding what THE point is. Thank god we're living in a world where there's only one point to every issue. Imagine how complex things might be if there would be multiple points, or even different points for different people!


I was refering to the problem the majority had with it, and not the "Role Players Collectors of Bitter vet " had with it.

Please make server for RP players, when they can have their own fun...they are ruining mine here.

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Jamison
Southern Gothic
#275 - 2013-09-27 00:03:30 UTC

Andrev Nox wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Pull Chribba Dice support in protest.


Do you feel any hypocrisy posting that 32 minutes after you claimed your free gift on our site?

Just curious if you'd prefer to withdraw your use of our gifts in protest :)


Original post.

This is so wrong, how many EULA violations is this exactly CCP Navigator? Does a reply like this meet the TOS?

Regardless if it is true or not, the only way of knowing this information would be for this person to look into the personal data on SOMER BLINK and then turn around and writing about it in a public post.

The fact that the issues are being completely ignored by CCP Navigator and was was never mentioned to the CSM makes me think that we have not begun to hear the whole story.

Just how long was this project being worked on, who was involved with the deal and what have people been given to make this work?
Ogopogo Mu
O C C U P Y
#276 - 2013-09-27 00:06:11 UTC
Caller: All dem purty ships will be dere,
Chorus: Sell dat PLEX before dey quit.

Caller: Fix dem odds and call it fair,
Chorus: Sell dat PLEX before dey quit.

Caller: I know dat payoff will be big,
Chorus: Sell dat PLEX before dey quit.

Caller: I think I smell an RNG rig,
Chorus: Sell dat PLEX before dey quit.

Caller: I hope we move some GTCs dar,
Chorus: Sell dat PLEX before dey quit.

Caller: I think I'll scrub some forums har,
Chorus: Sell dat PLEX before dey quit.

Caller: Make dat cash and den we go,
Chorus: Sell dat PLEX before dey quit.

Caller: I hope Riot Games will hire mo',
Chorus: Sell dat PLEX before dey quit.
Sirane Elrek
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#277 - 2013-09-27 00:11:46 UTC
Instead of SOMER Blink, maybe you could get Erotica 1 to handle your giveaway? After all, they're the only honest ISK doubler in EVE, and unlike SOMER, 100% of the playerbase trusts them.
Symbiotes
Genesis Nation
Goonswarm Federation
#278 - 2013-09-27 00:17:08 UTC
I get the strong feeling CCP dont get what is wrong with all this. So I'm gonna try my hand at the old "giving an example" thingy. Here's a silly story!


Lets say Somer and I are playing this simple shooter game, the most simple of simple pvp games.

So here I am with my small pistol trying to fight this guy with a massive machine gun. He's got the advantage because he worked really hard for that big gun. But I might catch him off guard and still win, who knows!

Yet when I finally find and corner him, he's got this admin of the game spawn him a tank. And when I complain about the tank, the admin says 'oh sorry' and changes the color of the tank...
Arcueid Saber
Legio XCIX CA
#279 - 2013-09-27 00:47:00 UTC
No to Favoritism. In case you do not know what it is: the practice of giving unfair preferential treatment to one person or group at the expense of another. That gambling site is at the end of the blocks in term of useful, helpful 3rd party service.
arabella blood
Keyboard Jihad
#280 - 2013-09-27 00:51:49 UTC
Im afraid we lost, with the anouncment of Rubicon, and the fact that Bitter Vet favoritism is a long tradition in CCP...

We can all go **** ourselves.

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