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A review of player giveaways with CCP and third party sites

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#221 - 2013-09-26 21:57:20 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Shocked

I'm not sure how I got here but gotta say after reading this thread, I am shocked!!!!

I don't know which is worse, the fact that CCP is promoting and providing funds / special prizes for an out of game entity or the fact that I am in agreement with Goons and friends about this issue.

Ugh

Very disappointed.


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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#222 - 2013-09-26 21:57:58 UTC
CAAN0N wrote:
Andski wrote:
You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up.


And they listened +1 CCP


They didn't listen, actually. My post was talking about CCP repeating the exact same thing that led to the largest scandal in the game before Monoclegate, their blatant disregard of staff working with a group of players to give them a huge advantage. CCP's role in the game is that of a steward, not a kingmaker.

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Nanatoa
#223 - 2013-09-26 21:58:43 UTC
Elria Antollare wrote:
This is unacceptable and it diminishes the history of EVE and a few very specific ships that have been repeatedly been said to NEVER be re-introduced ever again.


Thanks for jumping on the bandwagon, but you've jumped on the wrong one. The one you wanted has already crashed and burned.

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
Xaen
Telepathic Death Mimes
#224 - 2013-09-26 21:58:58 UTC
KIller Wabbit wrote:
CCP Navigator wrote:
Cursan Voran wrote:
Also, as someone who does not use somer blink, how do I get a chance at these giveaways?


You can register and play a free promo blink which happen often and get an entry.


oh, you're even going to do their marketing for them?


did

I get shouty crackers a lot. Deal with it.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#225 - 2013-09-26 22:01:58 UTC
I'm hosting a BBQ for some Eve friends. Yeah, we're going to sit around the barbi grilling up steaks, drinking copious amounts of beers. CCP, I would love to be able to hand out some nifty door prizes. Can I please has about 10 - 20 plex and a couple of unique items to give away?

If I charged for them and pocketed the profit, would that increase my chances here?

Don't ban me, bro!
iskflakes
#226 - 2013-09-26 22:02:37 UTC
This is a very good result.

CCP should NOT re-release old items such as the gold magnate and guardian-vexor, ESPECIALLY if people still have them.

However, I still do not agree with giving out unique items through blink. I don't trust Blink one bit. There have been rumors of them using shills and gaming the numbers for years. There are plenty of ways to cheat their players and still honor every win.

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Xaen
Telepathic Death Mimes
#227 - 2013-09-26 22:03:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Xaen
Weaselior wrote:
Pytria Le'Danness wrote:
Hang on a second. If all I need to do to win EVE is to make a website that earns me money and get even more money from CCP I need to dig into HTML a bit.

Or remove my credit card information from account services.

Guess what's faster.

the website because I believe it's literally impossible to remove your cc info from ccp's services


You mean like this?

http://i.imgur.com/Zhcu235.png

I guess I won't get to play with my golden pod or genolutions after all.

I get shouty crackers a lot. Deal with it.
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#228 - 2013-09-26 22:04:03 UTC
Woh... So much surprises in this post !

For some part it is a step in the right direction. On the other hand, what I read looks like a smoke-screen. This little jewel for instance where CCP indirectly claims to have audited every blink from SOMMER. We're no kids you know...


Now what about actually listening to the community and keeping your distances from SOMMER Blink and any other player organization when it comes to spawning isks (directly or indirectly).
EVEN if said organization is making you gain money through PLEXes. Seriously.

Speaking of PLEX, the amazon.US debacle is already fresh in my mind, so next time could you please wait a few days before doing anything that attracts attention in a negative way ? Because I'm running out of negativity and feel actually quite smooth currently ! Blink

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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#229 - 2013-09-26 22:04:18 UTC
At least when T20 spawned valuable items to favour one group over another he had the self-awareness to realise that what he was doing was wrong and so kept it secret.

When CCP 2013 spawns valuable items to favour one group over another, they openly and blatantly rub it in the face of the playerbase, and when the response is of mass disapproval, the response is not to reconsider the action itself, but to change the type of valuable item being spawned.

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Rob Crowley
State War Academy
#230 - 2013-09-26 22:05:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Rob Crowley
First off: thanks CCP Navigator for still being up-front about this and once more showing good intentions and goodwill to handle this issue. You have successfully fixed the smaller issue by changing the ship types.

Now to the less pleasant part: the much larger problem still exists. You are still rather blatantly favouring an ingame, for-profit player organization. This is a clear disadvantage to their competitors and can't be undone by a potential future favour to some of those competitors either. This is a de facto CCP endorsement of one service over all other similar services.

I said it in the other thread and I'll say it again:
If you want to provide us with a sandbox you have to be disciplined enough to keep your fingers out of the sandbox.

I'm a 3rd party dev, and even though (unlike Blink) our project is completely out-of-game and non-profit and therefore we don't have competitors (at least I'm not regarding the EveMon/EFT/pyfa guys as competition) I wouldn't feel comfortable taking ingame stuff from CCP. If you want to help 3rd party devs and support the enablers as you are calling it I'm suggesting 3 possibilities:

  • Provide us with better tools. Fix the current API problems like the silly error handling or missing BP info. Speed up CREST development, we haven't had an update regarding the 3rd party dev license in more than half a year. These are the kind of things every 3rd party dev would be happy about and you don't have to play favourites to hand them out.
  • Keep the Spotlight dev blogs coming. One could argue that even they are a bit of an endorsement and skew competition in case of ingame for-profit organizations, but I guess it's a very mild case of favouritism.
  • If you really have to reward certain people you deem especially worthy: Pay for their accounts. Mind you, not by giving them PLEX which is an ingame commodity and can be used to increase your ingame power, but by making the subscription free.

I like the first option best cause you completely avoid the favouritism thing, but at least the second and third options arguably don't provide an ingame advantage for the favoured chosen ones.
Bronco Platz
Doomheim
#231 - 2013-09-26 22:05:23 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
I'm hosting a BBQ for some Eve friends. Yeah, we're going to sit around the barbi grilling up steaks, drinking copious amounts of beers. CCP, I would love to be able to hand out some nifty door prizes. Can I please has about 10 - 20 plex and a couple of unique items to give away?

If I charged for them and pocketed the profit, would that increase my chances here?


Don´t be so coy. You could get even more.

And yes, the more you Charge the higher are your chances and you could get even even more.

This signature is under NDA. Sorry.
Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
#232 - 2013-09-26 22:08:19 UTC
I'm happy-er. Two things for CCP's consideration:

  1. SOMER Blink has more isk than Jita, and doesn't need free slag from CCP. It rubs players the wrong way, and for good reason. Make S'BLink pay for them - lord knows they can afford it.
  2. And consider a trickle-up approach rather than a raining-down approach to high-value desirables - goes over better with us humble poor pilots.

There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#233 - 2013-09-26 22:09:34 UTC
Rob Crowley wrote:
First off: thanks CCP Navigator for still being up-front about this and once more showing good intentions and goodwill to handle this issue. You have successfully fixed the smaller issue by changing the ship types.

Now to the less pleasent part: the much larger problem still exists. You are still rather blatantly favouring an ingame, for-profit player organization. This is a clear disadvantage to their competitors and can't be undone by a potential future favour to some of those competitors either. This is a de facto CCP endorsement of one service over all other similar services.

I said it in the other thread and I'll say it again:
If you want to provide us with a sandbox you have to be disciplined enough to keep your fingers out of the sandbox.

I'm a 3rd party dev, and even though (unlike Blink) our project is completely out-of-game and non-profit and therefore we don't have competitors (at least I'm not regarding the EveMon/EFT/pyfa guys as competition) I wouldn't feel comfortable taking ingame stuff from CCP. If you want to help 3rd party devs and support the enablers as you are calling it I'm suggesting 3 possibilities:

  • Provide us with better tools. Fix the current API problems like the silly error handling or missing BP info. Speed up CREST development, we haven't had an update regarding the 3rd party dev license in more than half a year. These are the kind of things every 3rd party dev would be happy about and you don't have to play favourites to hand them out.
  • Keep the Spotlight dev blogs coming. One could argue that even they are a bit of an endorsement and skew competition in case of ingame for-profit organizations, but I guess it's a very mild case of favouritism.
  • If you really have to reward certain people you deem especially worthy: Pay for their accounts. Mind you, not by giving them PLEX which is an ingame commodity and can be used to increase your ingame power, but by making the subscription free.

I like the first option best cause you completely avoid the favouritism thing, but at least the second and third options arguably don't provide an ingame advantage for the favoured chosen ones.


Not just favouring, but in his role as a CCP employee he is stating with absolute certainty that the ingame, for-profit organisation has honoured every single game in their history.

Which firstly strikes me as impossible to know, and secondly is unprecedented. For a CCP employee to step in and say that he is absolutely certain of their legitimacy... it's astounding.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#234 - 2013-09-26 22:11:15 UTC
Imagine if, when the T20 scandal broke out and the game's reputation was on fire, CCPs response was to say 'yeah, in hindsight we shouldn't have given that Sabre BPO to BoB, that was dumb of us. Here, have a Flycatcher BPO instead, and a free ticket to Fanfest while you're at it. That makes things all better, right players?'.

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Ave Kathrina
My Ass Is On Fire
#235 - 2013-09-26 22:12:17 UTC
Was a single member of the CSM advised/consulted about this ?

If anyone on the CSM was told about this, and thier answer was anyting but, "Are you f'ing kidding me?" then I would be very surprised.

I appreciate that CCP has retracted the re-issue of the G-Magnate and the G-Vex in the face of community comments.

I am however still highly critical of the decision to show such favour to Somer Blink. Every eve subscription should be entitled to have a chance at winning something from the modified prize list.

But forcing a player to spend ISK for a chance, CCP is saying "Your $15 bux is less important to someone else's". In this case I dont think its out of place to note that I pay that $15 six times every month, becaue I love this game.
I've done some really stupid shit in this game.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#236 - 2013-09-26 22:14:23 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Imagine if, when the T20 scandal broke out and the game's reputation was on fire, CCPs response was to say 'yeah, in hindsight we shouldn't have given that Sabre BPO to BoB, that was dumb of us. Here, have a Flycatcher BPO instead, and a free ticket to Fanfest while you're at it. That makes things all better, right players?'.


"oh and PS everything a member of BOB has ever said thus far has been absolutely true and they have honoured every single deal they've been involved in. So don't feel worried about giving them all your isk so you can get Flycatcher BPOs"
Abernie
Thoroughly Incompetent
#237 - 2013-09-26 22:15:15 UTC
Ave Kathrina wrote:
Was a single member of the CSM advised/consulted about this ?

If anyone on the CSM was told about this, and thier answer was anyting but, "Are you f'ing kidding me?" then I would be very surprised.

I appreciate that CCP has retracted the re-issue of the G-Magnate and the G-Vex in the face of community comments.

I am however still highly critical of the decision to show such favour to Somer Blink. Every eve subscription should be entitled to have a chance at winning something from the modified prize list.

But forcing a player to spend ISK for a chance, CCP is saying "Your $15 bux is less important to someone else's". In this case I dont think its out of place to note that I pay that $15 six times every month, becaue I love this game.

Reading posts and tweets, initially CSM was completely out of the loop. And apparently now this new idea has been ran by CSM and been told that this is how it's going to be.
Red Templar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#238 - 2013-09-26 22:16:03 UTC
CCP Navigator wrote:
They have had three years of constantly delivering on every blink, blast and bonk they have organized.

And how do you know this exactly? Have you checked every blink, blast and bonk? Have you somehow confirmed that the game is not rigged? Because that is what you are implying, and hence endorsing their service.

For some reason i thought CCP was supposed to stay neutral at all times, with the latest TOS changes and all.

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Xaen
Telepathic Death Mimes
#239 - 2013-09-26 22:16:31 UTC
CSM is exactly like whitehouse.org petitions. Delusion of control.

I get shouty crackers a lot. Deal with it.
Nanatoa
#240 - 2013-09-26 22:18:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Nanatoa
It is in times like these that I enjoy reading things from EVE's long history - such as this little gem:
"Stay the course, we have done this many times before."
(CCP Hilmar, June 2011).

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011