EVE General Discussion

CCP Navigator, this is an incredibly important question:

Have you audited literally every single transaction by SOMER? Have you audited literally every single account involved in those transactions?

To claim they have a 100% clean history, you must have. Please confirm that you have done such an exhaustive audit. Claiming they have completely honoured everything to date implies that such an exhaustive audit must have been performed. I am asking you to directly confirm that you, or another member of CCP, have done such an audit.

I am also asking if these audits reach out to SOMERs own site and services, as it would be quite possible for the eve "end" of these transactions to appear legitimate, but then for some sketchy stuff to happen "outside" the EVE environment.

Can you confirm that you have worked directly with the developers SOMER have and audited their services as well as EVE's own services?

If you have not, please immediately remove all the references to how trustworthy and perfectly legit SOMER are

This isn't tin foil hattery about SOMER, I believe they make enough isk legitimately to not need to do anything sketchy, but to have a CCP employee state in absolute certain terms ... well, that is an incredible precedent, and can only be legitimately claimed if such exhaustive audits of all transactions, accounts, and services - both on EVE Online and on the third party - have been performed

This is one of the most appalling things I have ever heard from a CCP representative (a pretty tough field) and nothing in the changes announced in this thread alters the problematic nature of this statement. Indeed, you go on to make further statements about SOMER's history of trustworthy behaviour. Trust is a marketable commodity in EVE and you are saying, in CCP's name, that this group has been trustworthy to date. Not only can you not possibly know that this is true but you are also giving them a unique 'CCP Audited' title when the reliability of in-game audits is something that is always open to question. Even if you could be certain that they have been 100% trustworthy up to this point you damn well shouldn't say so! Assessment of trustworthiness is a key in-game issue and CCP should have absolutely no part of it.

I was under the impression that CCP does not vouch for the trustworthiness of any player. Yet, here you are, implicitly vouching for their trustworthiness.

That is one of the better CSM posts.

Changing the ships from the Gold Magnate, Guardian Vexor etc. addresses those people concerned about Eve's lore.


It does absolutely nothing to address the blatant favouritism being shown to a gambling site which facilitates and encourages people to spend RL money on their gambling habit.

It does nothing to address them giving fantastically rare items to a player corporation which is using them to increase its profit margin (I'm not blaming Somer for this, it's exactly what I'd expect them to do, this is all on CCP).

In spite of the hundreds of posts on the subject, CCP still continue to mismanage their PR disaster. They continue to fail to understand their own game. We don't want CCP showing favouritism, we don't want them giving massive advantages to a player owned corporation, we want an even and balanced sandbox.

Of course, if they do insist on showing favouritism, they should be making the ethical choice and giving their favouritism to the most ethical and philanthropic alliance in the game, Goonswarm.

Not mention factually untrue. You need to have played paid games in the last 48hrs to be eligible for the promo blinks unless you've already given them 1bn isk. The same guy that tells us they've audited Blink and it's 100% trustworthy doesn't even know the most basic rules of the site.

There's nothing 'implicit' about Navigator's vouch here.

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This is becoming an all too regular question of late.

He doesn't have the same rulebook as the rest of us, and the same applies to SOMER...

I do hope the CSM bring up the issue of CCP employees explicitly stating that an in-game entity have honoured literally every single deal/transaction - including those which rely heavily on third party systems that are entirely unrelated to EVE / CCP itself and that they can be completely trusted.