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DEVSWARM OP: CCP Should Give Goonswarm Trillions Of Isk Worth of Crap

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Lex Manrider
Doomheim
#321 - 2013-09-28 08:32:40 UTC
The shady part starts when CCP supports someone who accepts GTC to obtain coins to participate in his events.
Exchange of blinks for isks would be perfectly fine, exchange of GTC for blinks and you have the opportunity for RMT right there.

So let me get this straight this Somer guy runs his little penny auction esque game, allows people to pay with GTC something that can be legally purchased for money to obtain his own game currency which he can create in infinite numbers and only would have to convert back into isks if people demand a payout, all the while he would be able to resell those GTC for real life money.

Normally he would need to sell some of those GTC for isks to make sure his isks pile is big enough to allow any rebuy of his gaming coins vs isks.

Now CCP comes along donates him unique ships worth trillions of isks to offer in these penny auctions, which means he does not have to provide an isks backup since CCP gave them to him for free, now since those are unique ships there will be a great influx of people trying to participate guaranteeing lots of isks and GTC to be converted for game coins.

Since the prices are donate what prevents him for keeping the isks selling the GTCs for real life cash and making a fortune out of it? A feat which can be easily done unless CCP keeps a very very close eye on any isks and GTC used to buy blink coins.

So in a nutshell CCP hands one guy several trillion isks and potentially real life profit, for what? Because someone at CCP likes him?

This makes the T20 affair look like child plays. I wonder how after 10 years some people at CCP are still this gullible and clueless.

So they (CCP) said that they think its pretty safe but they can not guarantee any abuse (LOL), well then how about CCP refrains from any action that might result in a massive suspicion of favoritism on top of possible RMT and stay the hell out of endeavors like this.

By that definition Goonswarm and Test should be given free unique ships for the content they provided during the last half a year let alone the numerous press articles about the 4000 people battle.
Oh right that can´t happen since it would be FAVORITISM!
Hemmo Paskiainen
#322 - 2013-09-28 08:54:48 UTC
Doris Dents wrote:
Lee Saisima wrote:
Blink has a business plan and Goonswarm doesn't. Goons are small-fry nowadays anyway.

We won't need a business plan when CCP hands us trillions of free stuff just for being that awesome.

CCP allready gave you guys free trillions with the tech exploit

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?

Sipphakta en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#323 - 2013-09-28 09:16:39 UTC
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
CCP allready gave you guys free trillions with the tech exploit


There was an exploit? How many people got banned over it?
Riyal
invidious Squid
#324 - 2013-09-28 09:20:15 UTC
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
Doris Dents wrote:
Lee Saisima wrote:
Blink has a business plan and Goonswarm doesn't. Goons are small-fry nowadays anyway.

We won't need a business plan when CCP hands us trillions of free stuff just for being that awesome.

CCP allready gave you guys free trillions with the tech exploit


Because a large alliance organising themselves to attack and then defend space containing valuable moons, building stations and erecting towers with suitable defences, and then arranging logistics routes to move and sell the resulting stuffs to the market is the same as a CCP dev spawning incredibly rare items out of thin air?

The last time this happened the CSM was formed.

How about a custom bee shaped ship BPO for Goonswarm?

In hindsight my post should have had more psssshhhh

Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#325 - 2013-09-28 13:22:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
nm

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#326 - 2013-09-28 15:52:22 UTC
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
Doris Dents wrote:
Lee Saisima wrote:
Blink has a business plan and Goonswarm doesn't. Goons are small-fry nowadays anyway.

We won't need a business plan when CCP hands us trillions of free stuff just for being that awesome.

CCP allready gave you guys free trillions with the tech exploit


We spent most of that generating content. Time for resupply.

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.

Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#327 - 2013-09-28 18:44:24 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
With the official CCP announcement that in the interests of "community engagement" groups of players that CCP decides they like will be given piles of rare or unreleased ships to make a private profit off, I'd like to throw my hat into the ring for goonswarm to be the next in line for massive unregulated handouts to people a random dev decides they like.

Goonswarm has done more for raising EVE's profile and gathering new players into EVE than SOMER or any other CCP partner. It is goonswarm that makes international news when we butcher some worthless alliance that barely puts up a fight, or decide to pay half of empire to kill the other half, magic trillions of isk out of thin air by breaking a headline patch feature, or our many other delightful exploits. And we bring a constant stream of new players into EVE, to fill our ranks. Given the precedent set by the SOMER gifts, no player group deserves a free handout more than Goonswarm. And no player website deserves a handout more than goonfleet.com.

Now, some people might argue that it would be favoritism to give them to us, as we'd just keep them rather than run a for-profit lottery for the ships to convert them to isk like SOMER would. I assure you nothing is farther from the truth. Rather than have some dumb ship I too will ensure that the ships are available to the EVE public, at the fairest price possible (the highest price the market will bear). That means any EVE player will have a fair chance to get the ship rather than having to lose scads of money in a for-profit gambling scheme.

Now, some people might protest that we're only in it for ourselves. And those people certainly have a point: just like a for-profit gambling corporation that maintains its "trust" solely because that keeps the money flowing, we look out for #1. But as we look out for #1, we provide great benefits to the EVE population at large. We spend our vast sums of money creating content and obliterating abscesses on the eve community like highsec miners, and TEST.

Some people might also claim that giving us ships would be blatant favoritism. To that, I can say nothing but that I agree - but since CCP has now decided they're openly showing favoritism by gifting hundreds of billions of isk worth of ships to SOMER, surely EVE's most successful alliance deserves some favoritism too. Some might argue that we should not be creating new unique ships, and that may be a fair point: I will happily accept sabre BPOs and other t2 BPOs as a replacement care package.

CCP has argued that SOMER is a fitting partner because they are "honest", though studiously avoiding actually claiming they've investigated to determine SOMER is honest and also studiously avoiding promising they would do anything if SOMER just walked off with all the ships. Some might argue Goonswarm therefore does not qualify. To that, I have a simple argument: SOMER openly tells you that it will take your isk, tells you how, and then takes your isk. So too does Goonswarm tell you we're going to take your isk, tell you how we're going to take your isk (after all, our public wiki specifically tells you what's going to happen with your security deposit) and then we take your isk. That is just as honest, if not more honest, than SOMER: after all, our odds are public while you have to do a little math to figure out SOMER's.

Do the right thing. Give Goonswarm hundreds of billions of isk. Nay, give us trillions: we are better than SOMER and deserve greater CCP largesse. Thank you for your time, and the sabre bpos we so richly deserve.



As much as goons like to try and insult on these forums.. I really really like this post.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#328 - 2013-09-28 18:48:23 UTC
Lors Dornick wrote:
Observe a media counter action being launched.

Trying to put CCP in good light by showing an even more evil organisation.

Nice try, but everyone knows that CCP is controlled by Grroons anyway ;)



Clockwork Pineapple are some cool guys wtf.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#329 - 2013-09-28 18:58:00 UTC
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
Doris Dents wrote:
Lee Saisima wrote:
Blink has a business plan and Goonswarm doesn't. Goons are small-fry nowadays anyway.

We won't need a business plan when CCP hands us trillions of free stuff just for being that awesome.

CCP allready gave you guys free trillions with the tech exploit

Pubbie logic.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#330 - 2013-09-28 21:46:27 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
My favorite thing about this post is how you probably thought it was pretty clever when you wrote it and, looking back, you probably still think it's pretty clever now. That's my favorite thing about this post, and my favorite thing about you.

My favorite thing about you is that you have a favorite thing about me.

It just seems so speshul....

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.

Crom Domison
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#331 - 2013-09-28 21:56:36 UTC
How did my thread get locked but not this one?! LOL
CCP THIS IS NOT EQUALITY OF OUTCOME! xD
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
#332 - 2013-09-28 22:13:16 UTC
I support the OP of this thread in many ways. Please give Goons the same favoritism shown to your internal scam known as SOMER.blink. Everyone knows its CCP already.

Thank you.

Sol
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#333 - 2013-09-28 23:54:24 UTC
Nah, ccps plan is fine as is, plus goons are in decline, a stagnant empire to say the least.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#334 - 2013-09-29 00:17:22 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
With the official CCP announcement that in the interests of "community engagement" groups of players that CCP decides they like will be given piles of rare or unreleased ships to make a private profit off, I'd like to throw my hat into the ring for goonswarm to be the next in line for massive unregulated handouts to people a random dev decides they like.

Goonswarm has done more for raising EVE's profile and gathering new players into EVE than SOMER or any other CCP partner. It is goonswarm that makes international news when we butcher some worthless alliance that barely puts up a fight, or decide to pay half of empire to kill the other half, magic trillions of isk out of thin air by breaking a headline patch feature, or our many other delightful exploits. And we bring a constant stream of new players into EVE, to fill our ranks. Given the precedent set by the SOMER gifts, no player group deserves a free handout more than Goonswarm. And no player website deserves a handout more than goonfleet.com.

Now, some people might argue that it would be favoritism to give them to us, as we'd just keep them rather than run a for-profit lottery for the ships to convert them to isk like SOMER would. I assure you nothing is farther from the truth. Rather than have some dumb ship I too will ensure that the ships are available to the EVE public, at the fairest price possible (the highest price the market will bear). That means any EVE player will have a fair chance to get the ship rather than having to lose scads of money in a for-profit gambling scheme.

Now, some people might protest that we're only in it for ourselves. And those people certainly have a point: just like a for-profit gambling corporation that maintains its "trust" solely because that keeps the money flowing, we look out for #1. But as we look out for #1, we provide great benefits to the EVE population at large. We spend our vast sums of money creating content and obliterating abscesses on the eve community like highsec miners, and TEST.

Some people might also claim that giving us ships would be blatant favoritism. To that, I can say nothing but that I agree - but since CCP has now decided they're openly showing favoritism by gifting hundreds of billions of isk worth of ships to SOMER, surely EVE's most successful alliance deserves some favoritism too. Some might argue that we should not be creating new unique ships, and that may be a fair point: I will happily accept sabre BPOs and other t2 BPOs as a replacement care package.

CCP has argued that SOMER is a fitting partner because they are "honest", though studiously avoiding actually claiming they've investigated to determine SOMER is honest and also studiously avoiding promising they would do anything if SOMER just walked off with all the ships. Some might argue Goonswarm therefore does not qualify. To that, I have a simple argument: SOMER openly tells you that it will take your isk, tells you how, and then takes your isk. So too does Goonswarm tell you we're going to take your isk, tell you how we're going to take your isk (after all, our public wiki specifically tells you what's going to happen with your security deposit) and then we take your isk. That is just as honest, if not more honest, than SOMER: after all, our odds are public while you have to do a little math to figure out SOMER's.

Do the right thing. Give Goonswarm hundreds of billions of isk. Nay, give us trillions: we are better than SOMER and deserve greater CCP largesse. Thank you for your time, and the sabre bpos we so richly deserve.


I would much rather see the stuff announced to go to blink go to goonswarm. Regardless of what folks say about them they actually use the game to make real game content. CCP, as I said in a different thread reward folks that create game experience within the sandbox as intended. Not some other folks working for personal gain because someone at CCP thinks they are shiny!

Consider this BEEP signing the give the swag to content creators petition.

Issler
Arcueid Saber
Legio XCIX CA
#335 - 2013-09-29 07:02:42 UTC
No to Favoritism.

Bump.
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#336 - 2013-09-29 08:19:22 UTC
Ccp shouldn't be giving items to anyone for the sake of balance. Id rather throw my isk away than give it to goons though...

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...

Sirane Elrek
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#337 - 2013-09-29 09:05:19 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
I would much rather see the stuff announced to go to blink go to goonswarm. ... Consider this BEEP signing the give the swag to content creators petition.

I'd rather CCP didn't spawn items for any group of players (short of CCP-organized events, i.e. Alliance Tournament prizes are okay). I'm fine with them flying blinged-out ships through space for everyone to shoot; at least that one is transparent and everyone can participate. I'm not fine with them just handing out expensive (or not-so-expensive) stuff to arbitrarily selected people.
Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#338 - 2013-09-29 11:06:43 UTC
can't argue with your logic :) you have my axe
Tea Leaves
Abyssus Spatium Exploratorium
#339 - 2013-09-29 11:36:21 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LackOfFaith
Redacted. Encouraging suicide is not allowed. -- ISD LackOfFaith
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#340 - 2013-09-29 12:01:41 UTC
Mac Zehn wrote:
CCP please give me a Ishukone Scorpion so i can lose it in a hilarious Guristas ratting accident

I managed to get my hands on one. It's beautiful and nice for ship spinning. But I will NEVER undock it again EVER...

Everyone is always repeating the mantra "Don't Trust Anyone" ad nauseum... If I can't trust the guys I play with, why bother playing with them at all? Fly Solo...