EVE General Discussion

Well that is understandable and i agree with you that RMT should not be discussed. But some people do claim that CCP investigated somer and found them legit. And that was why i asked where this information came from.

But you have to see it this way as well. CCP Navigator claimed that they delivered on everything, does that mean checks were made, or its just an assumption on their part?

The entire collaboration of CCP and somer is not transparent and unclear. And as many players pointed out, there is a lof of grey areas. And all of it is based on blind trust. In the universe of eve. The hard and cold place when trusting someone could be your own downfall.

You can see why its not flying with most of the people? Anyone with ounce of brain can see how this can be abused easily. There is no proof ofc that it will be abused, same as there are not proofs that it will be not.

And the initial FAQ CCP said they cannot prove that it will not be abused in any way, and are not planing to audit the entire event to make it clear and transparent.

I am willing to believe it was honest attempt to do something fun for community. But it was done with so many oversights and in such a bad manner, that its shocking. CSM wasnt consulted on such controversial move. Some aspects of methodology of ticket distribution were ignored. The fact that not all players of eve could take part in this even is also ignored.

And all this, together with the fact that somer is making money out of the sheer spike of traffic on their website, is creating many questions about favoritism and the fact that CCP should not favor, endorse or in any way promote specific players.

And all this happened just weeks after TOS change, where role of CCP in such endorsements and relations with players was discussed.

This is a mess, and CCP should fix this, and make sure something like this never happens again. They should be careful with their actions and how they can be perceived by players and community.

I have to disagree with you on this.

We are paying customers. We have right to ask questions and raise concerns on how things are handled. Community is a large and essential part of Eve. And opinion of player base matters, as was proven many times before.

We even Vote for our own representatives (which were ignored totally in this case). So this is not like any other game where players are expected to just shut up. Not even close.

They can of course just ignore everyone, and that is their right. But it doesn't mean that everyone should just shut up about things they dont like or find morally wrong. But will have consequences, one way or another.

How would they find who owns each account? You can pay with plex, you can proxy your IP and you can get an infinite number of email addresses. The ONLY way for CCP to audit somer would be to go through every transaction ever made, and follow the isk trail, and even then, it would be hit and miss as to whether they could determine it was RMT.
And as I say, they do convert isk to cash quite openly. Sure CCP seem to allow it, so that's the real question right? Why are somer allowed to openly RMT?

That's because under the new TOS/EULA and the clarification by lead gms you are allowed to make truthful claims about your own characters/corporations, but not about others ;)

Whichever way it is, we're all doomed.

I'm just saying legitimate privacy concerns and security process issues trump suspicions.

Revealing details on investigations (whether the investigated party is proven guilty or innocent) is not an acceptable practice, and believe me, you don't want it to be.

Revealing details of how and when the investigations are done (outside of your own security team, internal affairs, and upper management) undermines their effectiveness.

You know what I'm saying.

If i could sage this thread into oblivion, i would do it.

And as Weaselior spelled out in the OP, their new approach should be to give the trillions of isk to us. I think a unique set of the new SOE ship BPOs would do nicely. It's undisputed that we're far more ethical than a gambling corporation afterall, plus we give free stuff to new players, not those who pay us to give them stuff so you can be sure we'll use them wisely.

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You can always find a way, sure. You can set up proxy's, isolate machines, use fake names and email addresses, steal credit cards to use for payment, etc. But at some point you have to realize that (practically speaking) this becomes more work than simply doing something else for your money.

If you've gone to this much trouble to set things up properly you can use that same method to do much more profitable things.[/quote]

I can create a new unrelated paid account within 5 minutes while keeping one eye watching TV its no effort at all!
If you think it needs a lot of work you are pretty clueless and should better shut up.

As to be on topic why does CCP CREATE special prices worth trillions of isks for a PLAYER CREATED AND DRIVEN EVENT?
Player driven event should also mean player created prices!

What makes this Somer guy special? Because as it stands now I have to agree with the goonies as far as press articles and advertising is concerned they did a lot better job than the Somer guy! So did the BOB guy, Guiding Hands Social Club, Chribba etc.

p.s LOL at steal a credit cards I can perfectly LEGALLY pay for any account, there are more things out there for payment than CCs.

You can always find a way, sure. You can set up proxy's, isolate machines, use fake names and email addresses, steal credit cards to use for payment, etc. But at some point you have to realize that (practically speaking) this becomes more work than simply doing something else for your money.

If you've gone to this much trouble to set things up properly you can use that same method to do much more profitable things.[/quote]

I can create a new unrelated paid account within 5 minutes while keeping one eye watching TV its no effort at all!
If you think it needs a lot of work you are pretty clueless and should better shut up.

As to be on topic why does CCP CREATE special prices worth trillions of isks for a PLAYER CREATED AND DRIVEN EVENT?
Player driven event should also mean player created prices!

What makes this Somer guy special? Because as it stands now I have to agree with the goonies as far as press articles and advertising is concerned they did a lot better job than the Somer guy! So did the BOB guys, Guiding Hands Social Club, Chribba etc.

p.s LOL at steal a credit cards I can perfectly LEGALLY pay for any account, there are more things out there for payment than CCs.[/quote]