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I'm coming to the conclusion that camping > roaming if you want to kill things
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Paul Tsukaya
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-09-25 21:53:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Tsukaya
When you're roaming, you're spending a big chunk of your time in warp. When you're in warp, you have a zero percent chance of encountering an enemy that you can shoot at.

When you're roaming, you're showing your fleet in a wide variety of locales. This means that people who want to avoid combat will know you're out there and stay safe. When you're camping, you're staying still and don't appear in as many locals, so you're less likely to show up on various intel channels.

When you're camping you have control over the terms of the engagement. You can get your snipers and logi away from the engagement zone, and bring your brawlers and tackle in close. This increases your winning chances.

When you're camping in nullsec, you can anchor bubbles, which gives you extra options for tackling and engagement.

Looking at the killboards of top ranked PvPers, you can see that most of their kills are in the same few systems.

People like to roam because they're impatient, and roaming makes them feel like they're "doing something" to increase their chances of a PvP encounter. However if you jump into the pond and try and grab a fish, you will surely miss. The proper way to catch a fish is by patiently waiting for the fish to chomp on your bait.
Gritz1
Ice Fire Warriors
#2 - 2013-09-25 22:19:13 UTC
Roaming helps you catch people off guard however. Could lead to some awesome kills. Camping in null with bubbles on a pipe system is ez mode.
Major Killz
inglorious bastards.
#3 - 2013-09-25 22:35:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Major Killz
I hope they make you Test alliance please ignores military director. Which should make the slide down the proverbial hill accelerate.

Also, maybe you should have camped Fountain and Delve? Things might have turned out A LOT better if you did.

Seriously though. At Least you're trying to figure out how to improve or at least focus on what you believe is superior gameplay. Most in your alliance don't even THINK that far. Pretty big achievement.

[u]Ich bin ein Pirat ！[/u]
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-09-25 22:36:04 UTC
Thank you for your valuable insight captain obvious.
Taoist Dragon
School of Applied Knowledge
#5 - 2013-09-25 22:38:27 UTC
Don't forget that some people like the hunt as well. Twisted

Camping is how you make good isk from pvp. Roaming is how you have FUN in pvp Cool



To be good at camping you don't have to be good at pvp. Roaming/hunting for your targets is a tougher prospect.

Not bagging camping, it's just something that I don't like doing much of. Tacticle camps are a different thing where you are roaming but come across a favourable engagement that you try to force on gate etc

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Baron' Soontir Fel
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-09-26 01:30:14 UTC
Yea if you're looking to pad killboards, get kills by out blobbed your opponent, and not learn anything from engagements, then sure, camping gates is the way to go.

But people roam and look for fights because it's a lot more fun (my opinion) and skill-based. Having two falcon pilots jam everything in sight while you instalock people doesn't teach you anything. Sure it'll give you a lot of kills, but people play for different reasons.


It just depends on what you view as "fun." You like hopelessly outnumbering your opponent, laughing when he complains (whines) when you kill him 20 v 1? You like getting lots and lots of kills from unsuspecting opponents who really can't do anything against you? Sure, go gate camp somewhere. You'll get your share of tears and kills.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#7 - 2013-09-26 02:13:16 UTC
If you camp the same spot over and over, people will make a point to roam over your way.
You might even become a 'regular stop' on some peoples nightly roam.

Camping is better for under-manned fleets.
Roaming is better for oversized fleets
Camping close to home is better for re-shipping Cool
Aramu5
League of Angered Gentlemen
#8 - 2013-09-26 02:47:35 UTC
Everything is a variable, especially when it comes to deciding whether camping is better than roaming around.

All comes from the methods you use while you try and achieve something specific.

What pockets do you usually find fights in? Who are your constant harassers? How would you camp a 300 man active constellation pipe without getting terribad results? What composition should you use? Would you require extra set of eyes or shiney equipment?

One can try to compare a 10 man frigate roam through Syndicate to be the same as a 10 man nano hac roam through Curse, hell be wrong :)

Do more research, have eyes in places and see people's behavior in a specific environment that you are interested in. Based from your results then you can decide what would be the best course of action. Both can be rewarding based on how accurate your choice are from your gathered results :3
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#9 - 2013-09-26 11:12:27 UTC
Don't underestimate you can combine (solo) roaming with (belt) ratting: basicly bumping your wallet as long as you don't run into any targets. But when you do, it usually means more varied fights then when you camp a gate.
Magormor
Homicidal Suicidal
#10 - 2013-09-26 12:04:19 UTC
Camping gets you raw kills. But the targets wont be a real fight, as the fight is more then likely not mutual.

Roaming means you will more then likely get a real fight, as you are able to find other groups of people willing to engage.
Irya Boone
The Scope
#11 - 2013-09-26 13:34:31 UTC
if you want to kill things

all in the title the purpose is to kill things not to a have a fight or WORSE a good fight.

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-09-26 13:53:34 UTC
Oh Paul :( TEST???
Tibo Paralian
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#13 - 2013-09-26 17:26:29 UTC
Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:
Oh Paul :( TEST???


You two had a great time that first time you discovered each other, seems like just yesterday.
Berendas
Ascendant Operations
#14 - 2013-09-26 18:37:41 UTC
Fights are a lot more enjoyable away from stations and gates. Less frequent to be sure, but I find them a lot more fun. Belt or mission ganks especially have that 'shark fin above the water' feel to them.


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Tetsuo Tsukaya
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-09-26 19:44:52 UTC
Tibo Paralian wrote:
Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:
Oh Paul :( TEST???


You two had a great time that first time you discovered each other, seems like just yesterday.



We'll always have Eszur...
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#16 - 2013-09-27 18:50:14 UTC
You should also remember that when you camp on same place people tend to know that and can bust your camp more easily. Sitting target is easy to scout and counter if you use right methods.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-09-28 20:33:52 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
You should also remember that when you camp on same place people tend to know that and can bust your camp more easily. Sitting target is easy to scout and counter if you use right methods.

scouts safe the situation

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Marlin Spikes
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2013-09-28 22:01:55 UTC
Both methods are great ways for PVP. One is not better than the other, they're are just different.

Try roaming a little, set up camp for a few minutes, then roam some more....rinse repeat. Keeps you and your targets on their toes.

Bombers Rule!!!
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#19 - 2013-09-29 01:56:22 UTC
Paul Tsukaya wrote:
When you're roaming, you're spending a big chunk of your time in warp. When you're in warp, you have a zero percent chance of encountering an enemy that you can shoot at.

When you're roaming, you're showing your fleet in a wide variety of locales. This means that people who want to avoid combat will know you're out there and stay safe. When you're camping, you're staying still and don't appear in as many locals, so you're less likely to show up on various intel channels.

When you're camping you have control over the terms of the engagement. You can get your snipers and logi away from the engagement zone, and bring your brawlers and tackle in close. This increases your winning chances.

When you're camping in nullsec, you can anchor bubbles, which gives you extra options for tackling and engagement.

Looking at the killboards of top ranked PvPers, you can see that most of their kills are in the same few systems.

People like to roam because they're impatient, and roaming makes them feel like they're "doing something" to increase their chances of a PvP encounter. However if you jump into the pond and try and grab a fish, you will surely miss. The proper way to catch a fish is by patiently waiting for the fish to chomp on your bait.


Dunno about null

But in low sec camping makes me want to drill a hole into my forehead.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Disastro
Wrecking Shots
#20 - 2013-09-29 11:22:41 UTC
Paul Tsukaya wrote:
When you're roaming, you're spending a big chunk of your time in warp. When you're in warp, you have a zero percent chance of encountering an enemy that you can shoot at.

When you're roaming, you're showing your fleet in a wide variety of locales. This means that people who want to avoid combat will know you're out there and stay safe. When you're camping, you're staying still and don't appear in as many locals, so you're less likely to show up on various intel channels.

When you're camping you have control over the terms of the engagement. You can get your snipers and logi away from the engagement zone, and bring your brawlers and tackle in close. This increases your winning chances.

When you're camping in nullsec, you can anchor bubbles, which gives you extra options for tackling and engagement.

Looking at the killboards of top ranked PvPers, you can see that most of their kills are in the same few systems.

People like to roam because they're impatient, and roaming makes them feel like they're "doing something" to increase their chances of a PvP encounter. However if you jump into the pond and try and grab a fish, you will surely miss. The proper way to catch a fish is by patiently waiting for the fish to chomp on your bait.


I agree totally. Camping is much better than any other kind of pvp ever. So.... where exactly are you camping these days?
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