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Anslo
Scope Works
#61 - 2013-10-16 18:36:59 UTC
Why are you people even interacting with that thing?...

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Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#62 - 2013-10-16 19:29:30 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Fredfredbug4
Have you ever considered putting a flamethrower in your mouth and pulling the trigger?
Sadly that would prove ineffective against him since that smelly orifice on him is quite accustomed to handling massive volumes of hot air as it is.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "
Anslo
Scope Works
#63 - 2013-10-16 19:33:09 UTC
And you! You don't even try to defend that you're not a fraud. I mean, I'm glad you admitted through your silence that you're a fraud and a liar but...now you're just being an ass for the sake of being an ass. Don't you have a capital to move, cyno *****?

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Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#64 - 2013-10-16 20:08:12 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Back to the matter at hand.
Lord Filth (I assume and hope that your call sign was bestowed upon you as a joke), from what I have been able to tell, no one but the Heirs of the Empire can choose the next Emperor/Empress, not even holders. Again, if I am incorrect, please tell me. As for PIE, their actions seem to be in accordance with Scripture: " Uniform Thought is the Way of Life." I have also been told that God has given everyone their place and that each of us should be content with it. If the Empress is, as you claim, afflicted by some ailment, it would be the place of the heirs to take action, wouldn't it?
You are correct my Call Sign is in fact a family title granted to those of us who directly interfaced with our slaves. Sometimes, in our youth, at meal or prayer times we'd try to slip in without properly bathing first. We'd be promptly thrown from the dining hall until we were completely cleansed of the "Slaver Filth" of or work.

When becoming a baseline pilot I chose that as my call sign. When I became a capsuleer pilot I found it to be a useful psychological device. Watching people trying to ascertain what it meant. You'd be surprised how many never ask, and just run wild with their own assumptions. They are the ones who don't really want to communicate, they just want to be heard.

God does indeed give everyone their place.

"And they stood before Him,
bathed in His light.
Yet their eyes were blind,
Their hearts rebellious,
And their minds refused the Lord.
Darkness descended upon them,
Spreading inside their minds,
And the flames of the Lord died within them.
Yet one flame remained,
And within this flame, the Lord found faith renewed.
Casting the others into obscurity,
The Lord turned to the one"
- The Scriptures, Gheinok the First 1:3

Those of us God has turned to because our pure True Amarr hearts burn with the flame of the true word, fear only God.

"So the Lord sent forth the Chosen,
to bring forth the light of faith
And those who embrace his love
Shall be saved by his grace
For we are his shepherds in the darkness
His Angels of Mercy.
But those who turn away from his light,
And reject his true word
Shall be struck down by his wrath
For we are his retribution incarnate
His Angels of Vengeance"
- The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 4:45

Those who would obstruct we who steadfastly serve God and the Holy Amarr Empire do so at great peril.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2013-10-16 21:48:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Alizabeth Vea wrote:

Frederick Fredal Bugabus the Fourth: you have all the bitterness of a former CFC member that could not hack it.


As you can see in my corp history, I was clearly was never once a member of the CFC. Of course, my corporation was a while before I joined and experienced your cowardice and treachery first hand. An Amarrian Cardinal sums up my animosity towards your filth fairly well,

"A Heretic may see the truth and seek redemption. He may be forgiven his past and will be absolved in death. A Traitor can never be forgiven. A Traitor will never find peace in this world or the next. There is nothing as wretched or as hated in all the world as a Traitor."

Alizabeth Vea wrote:
I am in complete agreement with Kim-haani, which scares me quite a lot.

Diana Kim wrote:

Have you ever considered putting a flamethrower in your mouth and pulling the trigger?

Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Though generally those who ally with the CFC are among the most vile folk in the cluster. Sadist who take pleasure in misery that make the Blood Raiders look tame.


I rest my case.

Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Goons do not have pets, we have valued allies; yes, even SMA, who are the most shobon of shobon.


You tell them to do something, they obey without question as long as you give them a treat and a pat on the head. That's a pet.

The CFC proves that even capsuleers can be braindead robots who can't think for themselves. I can guarantee you that if you dropped one of these alliances from your band of misfits overnight they would dissolve by the end of the week, unable to figure out what to do with themselves.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2013-10-16 21:51:24 UTC
Slaver Filth wrote:
Sadly that would prove ineffective against him since that smelly orifice on him is quite accustomed to handling massive volumes of hot air as it is.


Flamethrowers rely on a flammable gel, not hot air. If you're going to throw petty insults in a futile attempt to insult me the least you can do is get the science right.

And really, I know you're probably upset that Ms. Kim rejected you on the spot, but I was just trying to help! Don't take out your sexual frustrations on me mister man!

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#67 - 2013-10-17 12:35:29 UTC
Lord Filth,
Your agility in dodging questions is almost as good as dear Mitten's. What I asked was:
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
If the Empress is, as you claim, afflicted by some ailment, it would be the place of the heirs to take action, wouldn't it?

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#68 - 2013-10-17 15:58:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Slaver Filth
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Lord Filth,
Your agility in dodging questions is almost as good as dear Mitten's. What I asked was:
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
If the Empress is, as you claim, afflicted by some ailment, it would be the place of the heirs to take action, wouldn't it?
I would take that as high praise if my intention was to avoid answering your questions, it is not. Love him or hate him the Mittani has gathered a large and loyal following.

The "Privy Council" which is composed of the heir family members would of course be the closest ones to the problem of any mental incapacity of an Empress under the current structure. This is hampered by the fact that they are also selected by the Empress, a built in conflict of interest.

Before our empire was pulled apart and fell into civil war, the Council of Apostles was the firewall that protected us against this type of problem. We were an independent equal part of the administration of the empire. With our loyalties being first to God and the empire of his chosen people. Heideran V changed that balance and destroyed the effective firewall when he officially disbanded the Council of Apostles. The resulting civil war indicated how serious this issue was held by both sides in the conflict.

In these forums you might hear many zealots proclaiming the heresy of anyone not toeing the line of blind mindless obedience, but any student of the history of the Holy Amarr Empire knows that is not our true nature. We stand up, fight, and die for our beliefs in the name of God.

"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger
All of his fury and rage.
He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels"
- The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1

God compels us to be his Avenging Angels, to conquer all he has put before us, and to reclaim the Holy Amarr Empire as it existed structure wise when the Emperor served as one amongst equals with the Council of Apostles.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "
Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#69 - 2013-10-17 16:19:15 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Slaver Filth wrote:
Sadly that would prove ineffective against him since that smelly orifice on him is quite accustomed to handling massive volumes of hot air as it is.


Flamethrowers rely on a flammable gel, not hot air. If you're going to throw petty insults in a futile attempt to insult me the least you can do is get the science right.

And really, I know you're probably upset that Ms. Kim rejected you on the spot, but I was just trying to help! Don't take out your sexual frustrations on me mister man!
To be accurate flamethrowers use flammable liquids or flammable gas. You should have done a little scientific research before trying to correct me.

Flammable gel flamethrowers only exist in computer games our children play. Have you confused which reality you reside in?

Please feel free to post a description from an independent encyclopedia volume of a "Flammable Gel Flamethrower" at your leisure. Until that time continue to belch the large volumes of childish hot air you are so well known for.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#70 - 2013-10-18 06:51:27 UTC
Slaver Filth wrote:

...

The "Privy Council" which is composed of the heir family members would of course be the closest ones to the problem of any mental incapacity of an Empress under the current structure. This is hampered by the fact that they are also selected by the Empress, a built in conflict of interest.

Before our empire was pulled apart and fell into civil war, the Council of Apostles was the firewall that protected us against this type of problem. We were an independent equal part of the administration of the empire. With our loyalties being first to God and the empire of his chosen people. Heideran V changed that balance and destroyed the effective firewall when he officially disbanded the Council of Apostles. The resulting civil war indicated how serious this issue was held by both sides in the conflict.

In these forums you might hear many zealots proclaiming the heresy of anyone not toeing the line of blind mindless obedience, but any student of the history of the Holy Amarr Empire knows that is not our true nature. We stand up, fight, and die for our beliefs in the name of God.

"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger
All of his fury and rage.
He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels"
- The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1

God compels us to be his Avenging Angels, to conquer all he has put before us, and to reclaim the Holy Amarr Empire as it existed structure wise when the Emperor served as one amongst equals with the Council of Apostles.


I have not really heard of the Council of Apostles before now, so that is something that I have to look into. Regarding the Privy Council, Tobin's Contemporary Political Survey (not in anyway related to Tobin's Spirit Guide, which is a book of silly Minmatar superstitions) states that the appointments reside more with the five major houses of the Empire and the Heirs each have an automatic seat. It states that the only influence on the Privy Council that Empress Jamyl has had so far was allowing Chancellor Khanid a seat. Which is rather foolish. When someone stabs you in the back, don't put them in a position to do so again, at least from a leadership perspective.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#71 - 2013-10-18 09:12:56 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
I have not really heard of the Council of Apostles before now, so that is something that I have to look into.


When you do your research, make sure you consult the official history and not a forgery.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#72 - 2013-10-18 09:36:48 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
I have not really heard of the Council of Apostles before now, so that is something that I have to look into.


When you do your research, make sure you consult the official history and not a forgery.

Any source in particular?

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#73 - 2013-10-18 10:25:58 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
I have not really heard of the Council of Apostles before now, so that is something that I have to look into.


When you do your research, make sure you consult the official history and not a forgery.

Any source in particular?


This is the real record

This is the forgery

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#74 - 2013-10-18 13:06:56 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
I have not really heard of the Council of Apostles before now, so that is something that I have to look into.


When you do your research, make sure you consult the official history and not a forgery.

Any source in particular?


This is the real record

This is the forgery

Admiral, that you linked both speaks volumes of your character. Many thanks. And, of course, now I need to go research the 'Moral Reforms.'

Addendum:
The first source you linked is woefully short. Which is unfortunate. The second source is more detailed. However, it contains several grammatical errors and poor writing in certain parts.
There are a few things from both sources that I would like clarified:
The claim is made that the Council of Apostles were a 'firewall' that served to check the power of the Emperor (or Empress, but I'll continue to use the masculine for simplicity). However, they seemed to have failed when it came to the 'Mad Emperor.' Why was this the case?
What was the justification for the 'Moral Reforms?'
Before the 'Moral Reforms' was the Emperor's rule considered to be by divine right, or have the sanction of God? From my very limited reading of the Scriptures, the Emperor is mentioned several times. I had thought for from the onset the Emperor had ruled by divine authority.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#75 - 2013-10-18 14:35:38 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
I have not really heard of the Council of Apostles before now, so that is something that I have to look into.


When you do your research, make sure you consult the official history and not a forgery.

Any source in particular?


This is the real record

This is the forgery

Admiral, that you linked both speaks volumes of your character. Many thanks. And, of course, now I need to go research the 'Moral Reforms.'

Addendum:
The first source you linked is woefully short. Which is unfortunate. The second source is more detailed. However, it contains several grammatical errors and poor writing in certain parts.
There are a few things from both sources that I would like clarified:
The claim is made that the Council of Apostles were a 'firewall' that served to check the power of the Emperor (or Empress, but I'll continue to use the masculine for simplicity). However, they seemed to have failed when it came to the 'Mad Emperor.' Why was this the case?
What was the justification for the 'Moral Reforms?'
Before the 'Moral Reforms' was the Emperor's rule considered to be by divine right, or have the sanction of God? From my very limited reading of the Scriptures, the Emperor is mentioned several times. I had thought for from the onset the Emperor had ruled by divine authority.


The Mad Emperor was not stopped by the Council of Apostles because, unfortunately, he was of the Council of Apostles. This was before the Emperor held absolute authority and was the leader of a group. His article is probably a bit of a better summary than I am about to give, but the Council used to have quite a bit of power to stop the Emperor, but not much inclination.

Essentially, this led to the Moral Reforms later. Sometimes, things take centuries to cause a reaction in Amarrian society as we go over everything that can go wrong. Eventually, the Moral Reforms were instituted by the Emperor to create a more hierarchical society, as the Council of Apostles had failed to stop one of the most egregious heretics in our history simply because he had complete religious decree, even in defiance of the Scriptures. It was thought a more rigid legal system of Scripture was necessary. The Council of Apostles opposed this, as they thought the Mad Emperor was an aberration and the Emperor himself was simply looking for an excuse to get rid of them.

The Moral Reforms created the modern Theology Council, something of a more strict legal interpreter of the Scriptures. They were instructed to go through all of the texts related to our history and find out whether or not the Council of Apostles were directly hiding doctrine to support our Imperial system. The Scripture was re-translated and interpreted on a more legislative basis. It was then that we began to understand how God works through the Emperor. This is when Imperial mandate and issues of servitude were better understood, since the Theology Council took the entirety of our Scriptures into account. As you might guess, the Scriptures place a heavy emphasis on the labor of love and obedience to the throne. This created the more Scripturally-based hierarchy you see today.

The Theology Council exists today and is still continuing its work, digging up pieces of Scripture to figure out if we are correctly translating and following the Scriptures. The Empress exists as a first among God's disciples and the direct arbiter of His will in the Empire. I think that is sort of the gist of the history, though I'm sure others could explain it better. Essentially, the Moral Reforms were instituted long after the Mad Emperor but in direct reaction to the enmity he engendered.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#76 - 2013-10-18 14:51:04 UTC
Slaver wrote a fantasy fiction article giving himself a starring role, this is lovely:

"Council of Apostles (Leadership)

Led by Apostle Dante Gheinok, flying under the capsuleer call sign of “Slaver Filth”, a pure True Amarr descendant of the House Of Gheinok, and a fully vested member of the “Speakers of Truth” adjudicating and educating in the Aridia Judicial Region as the senior adjudicator and dean of education."


This should be about the time we have an official Imperial representative show up and clear the air a bit, yes?





Sabik now, Sabik forever
Anslo
Scope Works
#77 - 2013-10-18 14:58:31 UTC
I told you, like five times, he's a liar and a fraud.

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Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#78 - 2013-10-18 15:44:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Alizabeth Vea
Constantin Baracca wrote:

The Moral Reforms created the modern Theology Council, something of a more strict legal interpreter of the Scriptures. They were instructed to go through all of the texts related to our history and find out whether or not the Council of Apostles were directly hiding doctrine to support our Imperial system. The Scripture was re-translated and interpreted on a more legislative basis. It was then that we began to understand how God works through the Emperor. This is when Imperial mandate and issues of servitude were better understood, since the Theology Council took the entirety of our Scriptures into account. As you might guess, the Scriptures place a heavy emphasis on the labor of love and obedience to the throne. This created the more Scripturally-based hierarchy you see today.

The Theology Council exists today and is still continuing its work, digging up pieces of Scripture to figure out if we are correctly translating and following the Scriptures. The Empress exists as a first among God's disciples and the direct arbiter of His will in the Empire. I think that is sort of the gist of the history, though I'm sure others could explain it better. Essentially, the Moral Reforms were instituted long after the Mad Emperor but in direct reaction to the enmity he engendered.


There is a phrase common among GSF pilots. "We've always been at war with (insert organization that we have been at peace with in the past). We've always been at peace with (insert organization we were just fighting)." It's used to show how nebulous history can be. If the Theology Council is basically being rewritten (which is how I read your comments) to suit the will of those in power, then does it really reflect the will of God?

I am not one to succumb to the grey fallacy. I also know how propaganda is used and crafted, and I don't mean the simple movie or picture. I always ask myself hanta moitte? Or, who profits? And that is where I hit a titanium diborite plate.

While the thought of a Goon talking about a just war might be as incongruent as cold fusion, I will do it anyway. If Lord Slaver Filth Gheinok wishes to reestablish the Council of Apostles, it is going to take a war. As an ethnic Caldari raised in the State (I hold no allegience to my former home), I know that civil war is the worst kind. A just war is followed by a more just peace. I have yet to be convinced that the current status quo (Dekleinese for 'the mess were in') is sufficiently bad to justify that war, nor is the reestablishment of the Council of Apostles good enough, either.

Anslo wrote:
I told you, like five times, he's a liar and a fraud.

If you told me the stars were hot, I would still run my own thermal scans.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#79 - 2013-10-18 15:46:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Alizabeth Vea wrote:

Before the 'Moral Reforms' was the Emperor's rule considered to be by divine right, or have the sanction of God? From my very limited reading of the Scriptures, the Emperor is mentioned several times. I had thought for from the onset the Emperor had ruled by divine authority.



Yes. The first emperor, Amash-Akura, was considered to be emperor by divine right. He also removed most of the separation between clergy and secularism, where now most positions of power as well as most administrative services are tied to the Church.
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#80 - 2013-10-18 18:32:30 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Constantin Baracca wrote:

The Moral Reforms created the modern Theology Council, something of a more strict legal interpreter of the Scriptures. They were instructed to go through all of the texts related to our history and find out whether or not the Council of Apostles were directly hiding doctrine to support our Imperial system. The Scripture was re-translated and interpreted on a more legislative basis. It was then that we began to understand how God works through the Emperor. This is when Imperial mandate and issues of servitude were better understood, since the Theology Council took the entirety of our Scriptures into account. As you might guess, the Scriptures place a heavy emphasis on the labor of love and obedience to the throne. This created the more Scripturally-based hierarchy you see today.

The Theology Council exists today and is still continuing its work, digging up pieces of Scripture to figure out if we are correctly translating and following the Scriptures. The Empress exists as a first among God's disciples and the direct arbiter of His will in the Empire. I think that is sort of the gist of the history, though I'm sure others could explain it better. Essentially, the Moral Reforms were instituted long after the Mad Emperor but in direct reaction to the enmity he engendered.


There is a phrase common among GSF pilots. "We've always been at war with (insert organization that we have been at peace with in the past). We've always been at peace with (insert organization we were just fighting)." It's used to show how nebulous history can be. If the Theology Council is basically being rewritten (which is how I read your comments) to suit the will of those in power, then does it really reflect the will of God?

I am not one to succumb to the grey fallacy. I also know how propaganda is used and crafted, and I don't mean the simple movie or picture. I always ask myself hanta moitte? Or, who profits? And that is where I hit a titanium diborite plate.

While the thought of a Goon talking about a just war might be as incongruent as cold fusion, I will do it anyway. If Lord Slaver Filth Gheinok wishes to reestablish the Council of Apostles, it is going to take a war. As an ethnic Caldari raised in the State (I hold no allegience to my former home), I know that civil war is the worst kind. A just war is followed by a more just peace. I have yet to be convinced that the current status quo (Dekleinese for 'the mess were in') is sufficiently bad to justify that war, nor is the reestablishment of the Council of Apostles good enough, either.


Simply put, I think there's a bit of a disconnect because most people think the Amarrian religion is static, as if it is a snapshot taken in time. God still works his will in the universe, and the emperor is his divine instrument, for good or ill. It can only be surmised that both the Mad Emperor and the Moral Reforms carried out by a future Emperor are equally part of God's plan, as one leads into the other. We also understand the way the universe works around us to reflect the will of God. Therefore, the Matari enslavement was the will of God, and their subsequent successful rebellion was also the will of God.

These things can seem contradictory if you aren't looking at history and judgement in a broader scope. The Mad Emperor's punishment was also the will of God, and we learned in that way that obedience to the Emperor cannot ape the Scriptures. What we also learned was that the Emperor through the lens of the Council of Apostles was not what we needed as Emperor in a Scriptural sense.

So the Amarrian way changed, as God intended it to change. We are not a static people and the Scriptures are living documents. God is teaching us, slowly, to become better people according to His will. If He sees us doing something the wrong way, He tends to correct us. To not change according to His work in the universe would not only be wrong Scripturally, but would also be incredibly disrespectful.

Imagine if, after the Mad Emperor, we simply carried on with business essentially as normal? In all our thousands of years, we haven't had many Emperors struck from the Book of Records. Clearly, we had to learn something from it.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26