These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Market Discussions

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
Previous page123Next page
 

[Winter] Hi-sec POCOs?

First post
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-09-29 19:51:01 UTC
Prices will go down from lower tax rates. Y'all gonna get burnt.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
cuoredipietra famedoro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-09-29 20:15:52 UTC
I believe adunh raised a couple of interesting points, thanks for the input :-)

I also understand Varius' point of view and I am led to believe that tax rates well be overally lower *except* in solar systems with several temperate/barren planets and close to hubs (like sobaseki).

In those system i believe tax rates will be actually higher for pilots who are not in holding corps/alliances: this would happen to leverage favorable spots for corp/alliance production and/or to allow rentals.

For the sake of discussion, I would love if Varius could expand his ideas further

Caeci caecos ducentes 
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-09-29 22:46:57 UTC
cuoredipietra famedoro wrote:
I believe adunh raised a couple of interesting points, thanks for the input :-)

I also understand Varius' point of view and I am led to believe that tax rates well be overally lower *except* in solar systems with several temperate/barren planets and close to hubs (like sobaseki).

In those system i believe tax rates will be actually higher for pilots who are not in holding corps/alliances: this would happen to leverage favorable spots for corp/alliance production and/or to allow rentals.

For the sake of discussion, I would love if Varius could expand his ideas further


Where did this "allow rentals" idea come from? It's going to be both easier and more lucrative to whoever is holding popular POCOs to merely set a competitive tax rate and let it ride than it would be to setup a separate alliance to hold them and require people to pay to join said alliance.

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#24 - 2013-09-30 02:04:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Elizabeth Norn
Varius Xeral wrote:
Prices will go down from lower tax rates. Y'all gonna get burnt.


I happen to have it on good authority that P4s which have recently increased in price the most will further increase in price, you would be a fool not to invest after hearing information like that.

Free 3rd party services

Buddy link w/ bonus 250k SP, you keep the whole PLEX upon subscribing
Bunyip
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-09-30 03:11:37 UTC
The prices are rising right now, and they will probably continue to rise throughout the rest of the year, especially around launch time. Thereafter, they'll gradually return to their pre-speculation prices, and probably go lower. It's not unreasonable to think that there will be a 'rush on the bank' when news like this hits, and production will probably temporarily go down once the patch goes live.

I'm not participating in the speculation 'wars', I'm just making my PI items in a remote system and having fun. Either way, you gotta love a semi-realistic market system, especially when news hits.
Adunh Slavy
#26 - 2013-09-30 03:35:12 UTC
Bunyip wrote:
The prices are rising right now, and they will probably continue to rise throughout the rest of the year, especially around launch time.



My guess, a guess mind you is, pre launch spike, then a crash, a mid term bump and the new historical lows. News on what the build requirements for the deployables is, will make the picture more clear.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-09-30 03:51:06 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Bunyip wrote:
The prices are rising right now, and they will probably continue to rise throughout the rest of the year, especially around launch time.



My guess, a guess mind you is, pre launch spike, then a crash, a mid term bump and the new historical lows. News on what the build requirements for the deployables is, will make the picture more clear.


Sounds about right for my half-ass guess too.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#28 - 2013-09-30 07:29:38 UTC
Where did the pre-announcement speculation about highsec POCOs come from? I must have missed something because it was news to me.

I thought something related to highsec sov might be likely when the original marauder rebalance thread went out but I didn't pick POCOs specifically. Just curious.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Carniflex
StarHunt
Mordus Angels
#29 - 2013-09-30 09:46:15 UTC
Cage Man wrote:

Ever tried to pop a customs office without a dread? No small corp is going to even try. Maybe CCP will make the HS already in place CO's easier to pop.


It's not that bad. 10 Oracles and go semiafk for hour or few.

Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... THWONK! GOT the bastard.
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-09-30 11:56:42 UTC  |  Edited by: mynnna
Zappity wrote:
Where did the pre-announcement speculation about highsec POCOs come from? I must have missed something because it was news to me.

I thought something related to highsec sov might be likely when the original marauder rebalance thread went out but I didn't pick POCOs specifically. Just curious.


CCP Soundwave mentioned them as "something he wanted to do" as far back as two years ago - first during alliance tournament IX, if I recall - and they've come up every once in awhile since.

This time around specifically, some PI related changes players found from data mining chaos led them to suspect that they were finally being added.

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#31 - 2013-09-30 19:44:07 UTC
Thanks, makes sense.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
pmchem
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-10-01 16:29:07 UTC
cuoredipietra famedoro wrote:

I also understand Varius' point of view and I am led to believe that tax rates well be overally lower *except* in solar systems with several temperate/barren planets and close to hubs (like sobaseki).


Just in case anyone missed it in the blog:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/player-owned-customs-offices-in-hi-sec/

"The NPC tax will continue for hi sec POCOs (as we want low sec POCOs to still be competitive). The tax rate stays the same, at 10% for export and 5% for import. This is then in addition to whatever tax the player owner sets."

The NPC tax is not going away. Taxes in total will most certainly be going up in Rubicon. I think a lot of the people in this thread were assuming that highsec NPC taxes would disappear for highsec POCOs. Not the case. p4s gonna go way up in price long-term.

https://twitter.com/pmchem/ || http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/community-spotlight-garpa/ || Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#33 - 2013-10-01 16:35:45 UTC
Well there you go.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Thomas Hurt
Future Ventures
#34 - 2013-10-01 16:35:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Thomas Hurt
Welp. Glad I bought my P4s during the twitch stream. Y'all suckers missed the train Twisted
Adunh Slavy
#35 - 2013-10-01 19:06:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Adunh Slavy
pmchem wrote:

The NPC tax is not going away. Taxes in total will most certainly be going up in Rubicon. I think a lot of the people in this thread were assuming that highsec NPC taxes would disappear for highsec POCOs. Not the case. p4s gonna go way up in price long-term.



It could have some impact, but doubt it will be as much as many people think. The incentive to "factory planet" further from the hubs will increase if close by planets are taxed too high. The shipping to Jita infrastructure and habits are very well established as it is. One of the main beneficiaries of all this could be Red Frog and the like.

I am still of the opinion that, if the new deployables depend on PI products, which I hope they do, (and perhaps some other things as well such as mins), then this new use will create more demand, and have a greater impact on prices than speculation of decreased or constrained supply.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Grozen
Mateber Mining and Manufacturing Company
C U L T
#36 - 2013-10-02 02:21:05 UTC
theres 2500+ systems in eve, whoever is not going for the factory stuff and is only doing planets for isk, can easy get his own poco in a ******** far away(10-20jumps from hub) system and I checked the prices for the gauntry and 70m for one holy cow that stuff is expensive just replacing one system with few cos comes to 500m+.I don't think big players are going to spend few trillion replacing every cos ingame but I'd sure love to see someone up for that taskTwisted

knowledge is power.
Logical Chaos
Very Italian People
The Initiative.
#37 - 2013-10-03 11:54:56 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Bunyip wrote:
The prices are rising right now, and they will probably continue to rise throughout the rest of the year, especially around launch time.



My guess, a guess mind you is, pre launch spike, then a crash, a mid term bump and the new historical lows. News on what the build requirements for the deployables is, will make the picture more clear.


I'm tempted to bid my left nut that it's going to be PI/Mineral mix similar to meta cap modules.
pmchem
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2013-10-05 16:40:54 UTC
Grozen wrote:
I don't think big players are going to spend few trillion replacing every cos ingame but I'd sure love to see someone up for that taskTwisted


I think a very large amount of highsec COs will be replaced. But you're missing the important part: the rest will die. That planet 10J from jita that you think is some kind of hidden, tax-free factory? yeah it's gonna die. even if it doesn't get replaced it will disrupt production or shunt people towards higher tax COs.

https://twitter.com/pmchem/ || http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/community-spotlight-garpa/ || Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
KnightMaire kings
The Exchange Collective
#39 - 2013-10-07 19:31:29 UTC
the player ownd pocos wil have to compete with the npc poco thare bye the cost will go down

or am i mising something

The only major drawback is the crazed notion that the inventory would look so much better if merely rearranged ONE MORE TIME.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#40 - 2013-10-08 03:05:36 UTC
KnightMaire kings wrote:
the player ownd pocos wil have to compete with the npc pocoare bye the cost will go down

or am i mising something


What NPC POCOs? I'm planning on killing one in a Punisher just because I can.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Previous page123Next page