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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#61 - 2013-09-25 02:04:38 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Andski wrote:
David Kir wrote:
Yet one could say that CFC has quite the solid grasp upon its membership's public opinion.

Look at how they managed to switch their position from "renting is BOB, BOB is bad, renting is bad"" to all-out serflording in a couple months.

No, people were angry about it and we left a thread up for them to scream bloody murder about the evils of becoming serflords. Because, apparently, goons have always had a soft spot for pubbies and would never do anything like collect money from them for the privilege of ratting in our space.

It's always funny that people never seem to see it that way.

I know, right.

Goons just love to rage about anything.

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Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#62 - 2013-09-25 03:03:32 UTC
Andski wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Daimon Kaiera wrote:
+1 for posting on an npc alt.

What does that have to do with anything?


It means that anything he posts is likely nonsense, much like 99.9% of NPC alt posts on the forums.


I resent resemble this remark.

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#63 - 2013-09-25 03:23:43 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
CorsairV wrote:
When did CFC become rules lawyering gay babies?


Any time Goons find a cool trick to use, such as grid-fu, FW LP store or massive drone assist salvos, they will abuse the mechanic until other people start using it against them. At this point they will highlight whatever mechanic they were abusing so that others can't use that same mechanic.

Part of the current campaign is to stop other fleets using assisted sentry drones against Goon interests, since drone assist + ISBoxer provides a huge competitive advantage.

The only question in my mind is whether Goons will end up campaigning against keystroke broadcasting as provided by ISBoxer and (modified) Synergy, or whether that mechanical advantage is so vital to their ability to play the game while frustrated-drunk that they will actively campaign against people who want keystroke broadcasting banned.


I've seen this pattern before.

Mechanic that CFC doesn't use.
CFC: "This mechanic is bad."
Others: "You just want it nerfed because it's being used against you!"

Mechanic that CFC uses.
CFC: "This mechanic is bad."
Others: "You just want it nerfed so that others can't use it!"

Pubbie logic.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#64 - 2013-09-25 03:36:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Maliandra wrote:
Andski wrote:
i'm just laughing at the idea that anything a CFC member says or does is indicative of some policy of ours

it's as if we have the ability to exert that much control over 35k people, you give us way too much credit
If I wore a swastika and claimed to be part of the SS, you'd hold me accountable for their actions.

You choose to wear the colors of a group whose higher ups are made up of largely the most shameful and pathetic personalities the internet has to offer.

If you do not like being judged as a group, leave the group. Big smile


i'm sorry about the goon who ganked your hulk but that doesn't make us remotely comparable to members of a defunct, formerly prominent German political party whose name I can't mention because of the word filter

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#65 - 2013-09-25 03:44:15 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
CorsairV wrote:
When did CFC become rules lawyering gay babies?


Any time Goons find a cool trick to use, such as grid-fu, FW LP store or massive drone assist salvos, they will abuse the mechanic until other people start using it against them. At this point they will highlight whatever mechanic they were abusing so that others can't use that same mechanic.

Part of the current campaign is to stop other fleets using assisted sentry drones against Goon interests, since drone assist + ISBoxer provides a huge competitive advantage.

The only question in my mind is whether Goons will end up campaigning against keystroke broadcasting as provided by ISBoxer and (modified) Synergy, or whether that mechanical advantage is so vital to their ability to play the game while frustrated-drunk that they will actively campaign against people who want keystroke broadcasting banned.


I've seen this pattern before.

Mechanic that CFC doesn't use.
CFC: "This mechanic is bad."
Others: "You just want it nerfed because it's being used against you!"

Mechanic that CFC uses.
CFC: "This mechanic is bad."
Others: "You just want it nerfed so that others can't use it!"

Pubbie logic.

Grr, goons

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#66 - 2013-09-25 03:45:11 UTC
Andski wrote:
Maliandra wrote:
Andski wrote:
i'm just laughing at the idea that anything a CFC member says or does is indicative of some policy of ours

it's as if we have the ability to exert that much control over 35k people, you give us way too much credit
If I wore a swastika and claimed to be part of the SS, you'd hold me accountable for their actions.

You choose to wear the colors of a group whose higher ups are made up of largely the most shameful and pathetic personalities the internet has to offer.

If you do not like being judged as a group, leave the group. Big smile


i'm sorry about the goon who ganked your hulk but that doesn't make us remotely comparable to members of a defunct, formerly prominent German political party whose name I can't mention because of the word filter

There was that poster who said ganking is like murder

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
John XIII
The Carnifex Corp
#67 - 2013-09-25 03:46:49 UTC
Only if you get the pod

Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#68 - 2013-09-25 03:50:27 UTC
Taking anybody in SMA seriously in any manner is a waste of your time.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#69 - 2013-09-25 04:30:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tauranon
David Kir wrote:


Yet one could say that CFC has quite the solid grasp upon its membership's public opinion.

Look at how they managed to switch their position from "renting is BOB, BOB is bad, renting is bad"" to all-out serflording in a couple months.


The universe just isn't the same in 2013 as it was in 2006. The CFC were part of a quasi campaign for nullsec being redefined from what it was (regions valued by towers), to what it is today (after goo redistribution), regions being valued by number of characters working in it. Instead of the CFC towering vale for isk, they are populating it.

That probably isn't really that similar to what BoB did. I don't remember them being much for detail - ie they were constellation kinds of people not systems kind of people, more arbiter than expander.

Note that in the population model, its even possible for CCP to expand nullsec, and for the majority of the playerbase to migrate to it. None of that made sense in the empty cardboard regions propped up by towers model.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#70 - 2013-09-25 04:34:24 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
David Kir wrote:
Yet one could say that CFC has quite the solid grasp upon its membership's public opinion.

Look at how they managed to switch their position from "renting is BOB, BOB is bad, renting is bad"" to all-out serflording in a couple months.

The universe just isn't the same in 2013 as it was in 2006. The CFC were part of a quasi campaign for nullsec being redefined from what it was (regions valued by towers), to what it is today, regions being valued by number of characters working in it. Instead of the CFC towering vale for isk, they are populating it.

That probably isn't really that similar to what BoB did. I don't remember them being much for detail - ie they were constellation kinds of people not systems kind of people, more arbiter than expander.

Note that in the population model, its even possible for CCP to expand nullsec, and for the majority of the playerbase to migrate to it. None of that made sense in the empty cardboard regions propped up by towers model.

Why are you defending rental models, they are supposed to be alien and ungoony

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#71 - 2013-09-25 06:14:13 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
Note that in the population model, its even possible for CCP to expand nullsec

It's also entirely possible that this is part of their vision for the winter expansion.

Considering CCP Seagull's speech at Fanfest, chances are pretty good that it is.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Kialopreyst
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2013-09-25 08:44:40 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Tauranon wrote:
David Kir wrote:
Yet one could say that CFC has quite the solid grasp upon its membership's public opinion.

Look at how they managed to switch their position from "renting is BOB, BOB is bad, renting is bad"" to all-out serflording in a couple months.

The universe just isn't the same in 2013 as it was in 2006. The CFC were part of a quasi campaign for nullsec being redefined from what it was (regions valued by towers), to what it is today, regions being valued by number of characters working in it. Instead of the CFC towering vale for isk, they are populating it.

That probably isn't really that similar to what BoB did. I don't remember them being much for detail - ie they were constellation kinds of people not systems kind of people, more arbiter than expander.

Note that in the population model, its even possible for CCP to expand nullsec, and for the majority of the playerbase to migrate to it. None of that made sense in the empty cardboard regions propped up by towers model.

Why are you defending rental models, they are supposed to be alien and ungoony


They are. Lets go out and find R16's anchored by PBLRD corps and make them take their towers down.
Samoth Egnoled
Caldari Provisions
#73 - 2013-09-25 09:01:31 UTC
I love the way people get bent out of shape about Goons and the CFC. 'they dont play nice...wah!'
Mythrandier
Solace Corp
#74 - 2013-09-25 09:03:28 UTC
Maliandra wrote:
Andski wrote:
i'm just laughing at the idea that anything a CFC member says or does is indicative of some policy of ours

it's as if we have the ability to exert that much control over 35k people, you give us way too much credit
If I wore a swastika and claimed to be part of the SS, you'd hold me accountable for their actions.

You choose to wear the colors of a group whose higher ups are made up of largely the most shameful and pathetic personalities the internet has to offer.

If you do not like being judged as a group, leave the group. Big smile



You must have either had an AMAZINGLY sheltered life, or have never actually been on the internet to think that Goons are the worst the internet has to offer.

Or did they just gank you recently and you are still overflowing with bitter?

"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -  D. Adams.
Kialopreyst
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2013-09-25 09:16:30 UTC
Mythrandier wrote:
Maliandra wrote:
Andski wrote:
i'm just laughing at the idea that anything a CFC member says or does is indicative of some policy of ours

it's as if we have the ability to exert that much control over 35k people, you give us way too much credit
If I wore a swastika and claimed to be part of the SS, you'd hold me accountable for their actions.

You choose to wear the colors of a group whose higher ups are made up of largely the most shameful and pathetic personalities the internet has to offer.

If you do not like being judged as a group, leave the group. Big smile



or have never actually been on the internet to think that Goons are the worst the internet has to offer.


There are actually worse people on the internet than us.
Kialopreyst
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2013-09-25 09:18:17 UTC
Fallacies wrote:
I was helping a friend of mine who happens to be fairly new to the game. While in a mission in high sec a Space Monkey Alliance member probbed us out and had come in to salvage or steal I assume. After a coupe minutes he started whining in local that we were using a drone exploit. I had my light drones assigned to my friends Condor so he could work on the small rats while I focused on the battleship new with my cruise missiles.

He kept linking the news item from CCP in reguards to the POS and drone assign incident and telling everyone to petition us for exploiting. Despite my efforts to inform my friend the SMA guy was wrong, this was the third incident of a CFC member going on in local chat claiming someone was exploiting by simply assisting their drones to a fleet member, despite there not being a POS involved.

Why is the CFC members running around trying to scare other players with false information? Unfortunately my friend is too scared to want to use drone assign now because he is afraid of being banned. Will there be more features from the game CFC will want removed?


Name and shame. We all deserve to know who this person was.
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#77 - 2013-09-25 09:22:10 UTC
Fallacies wrote:
Tsunamicom wrote:
From what I understand from the Exploit Warning, you aren't breaking any rules UNLESS you are trying to hide in a POS and have your drones attack your friend's target by using assist. If you are outside of a POS then you have nothing to worry about. It just has to do with the whole 'being able to attack without any risk to you' thing.

I know we are not exploiting. My question is why the sudden push by CFC to tell other players if they drone assist at all, they are exploiting?


1 guy from SMA is not a push. Try posting with 100% less hyperbole.
Lugalbandak
Doomheim
#78 - 2013-09-25 11:30:05 UTC
Fallacies wrote:
I was helping a friend of mine who happens to be fairly new to the game. While in a mission in high sec a Space Monkey Alliance member probbed us out and had come in to salvage or steal I assume. After a coupe minutes he started whining in local that we were using a drone exploit. I had my light drones assigned to my friends Condor so he could work on the small rats while I focused on the battleship new with my cruise missiles.

He kept linking the news item from CCP in reguards to the POS and drone assign incident and telling everyone to petition us for exploiting. Despite my efforts to inform my friend the SMA guy was wrong, this was the third incident of a CFC member going on in local chat claiming someone was exploiting by simply assisting their drones to a fleet member, despite there not being a POS involved.

Why is the CFC members running around trying to scare other players with false information? Unfortunately my friend is too scared to want to use drone assign now because he is afraid of being banned. Will there be more features from the game CFC will want removed?


he is prolly lost , i tought cfc was a 0.0 coalition , but i could be wrong. if you dont do it from a pos just keep going , copy paste what he says in local and petition him. he is prolly just trolling.

The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back
Lugalbandak
Doomheim
#79 - 2013-09-25 11:31:33 UTC
Slaveofjita wrote:
Andski wrote:
you don't matter that much to us, quite honestly

Yet you responded not once but twice.










hahah yeah the ******* irony

The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#80 - 2013-09-25 11:41:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Kialopreyst wrote:
Fallacies wrote:
I was helping a friend of mine who happens to be fairly new to the game. While in a mission in high sec a Space Monkey Alliance member probbed us out and had come in to salvage or steal I assume. After a coupe minutes he started whining in local that we were using a drone exploit. I had my light drones assigned to my friends Condor so he could work on the small rats while I focused on the battleship new with my cruise missiles.

He kept linking the news item from CCP in reguards to the POS and drone assign incident and telling everyone to petition us for exploiting. Despite my efforts to inform my friend the SMA guy was wrong, this was the third incident of a CFC member going on in local chat claiming someone was exploiting by simply assisting their drones to a fleet member, despite there not being a POS involved.

Why is the CFC members running around trying to scare other players with false information? Unfortunately my friend is too scared to want to use drone assign now because he is afraid of being banned. Will there be more features from the game CFC will want removed?


Name and shame. We all deserve to know who this person was.

So you know something:

"a new player"
"npc corp alt"
"goons are bad"
"issue people are discussing that is significant because goons are bad"
"one of your people did a bad thing"
"you are bad"

... you fell for a troll

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?