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I'm stunned by this physics article - no easy listening stuff ahead

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Jori McKie
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-09-22 08:28:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Jori McKie
https://www.simonsfoundation.org/quanta/20130917-a-jewel-at-the-heart-of-quantum-physics/

tl,dr:
Some cool dudes found a possible easier mathematical solution to calculate Feyman diagramms, that's noteworthy alone but how they found it may be radical as they started with the concept that
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the new geometric approach to particle interactions removes locality and unitarity from its starting assumptions


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If it helps to develop GUT – great. If it helps to reduce the amount of computing power needed at the LHC, among other facilities, by identifying calculating short cuts. Even better. If it doesn’t seem to be able to do any of these – it’s still a pretty cool picture.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar

Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-09-22 09:02:11 UTC
it's interesting, but
a far too sensible and complex subject for GD
you will make the trolls damage their brain cell with that kind of information.
Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
#3 - 2013-09-22 09:03:26 UTC
This breakthrough goes far, far beyond rendering easier Feynman diagrams. Quantum gravity might be at the brink of being expressed in a single formula for the first time. In the near future, we may well speak of the three great epochs in theoretical physics as Newtonian, Einsteinian, and Amplituhedronian.

This calculus crystal constant is a BFD.

There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance.

Jori McKie
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-09-22 09:15:20 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
it's interesting, but
a far too sensible and complex subject for GD
you will make the trolls damage their brain cell with that kind of information.


Amhra Rho wrote:
This breakthrough goes far, far beyond rendering easier Feynman diagrams. Quantum gravity might be at the brink of being expressed in a single formula for the first time. In the near future, we may well speak of the three great epochs in theoretical physics as Newtonian, Einsteinian, and Amplituhedronian.

This calculus crystal constant is a BFD.




Short answer to both

I hope so :)

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar

Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#5 - 2013-09-22 10:25:29 UTC
I am not stunned, somehow stydying filosophy i found there was something like Apeiron.
Jori McKie
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-09-22 12:17:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Jori McKie
Sorry to say but if you aren't stunned you have no idea what this could mean to physics at all and you fell under the category of Troll.

http://susy2013.ictp.it/video/05_Friday/2013_08_30_Arkani-Hamed_16-9.html

Watch it and get stunned, check the face on some of the physicists, their infidelity is amazing. Rest assured the whole thing needs a lot of peer review and testing but it's simplicity is glorious.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar

Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#7 - 2013-09-22 12:21:54 UTC
Sorry but i am not a physicist so i could not be stunned in such a way. I am philosopher more than physicist.Big smile
cuoredipietra famedoro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-09-22 12:31:06 UTC
does it mean that EVE is real?

Caeci caecos ducentes 

Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#9 - 2013-09-22 13:02:12 UTC
I'm really stunned, still in the process of reading.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#10 - 2013-09-22 15:01:16 UTC
Moving this from General Discussion to Out of Pod Experience.

Good read by the way, I'm rather enjoying it.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

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Aivo Dresden
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-09-22 15:28:37 UTC
Boil it down for us regular folks ...
Jori McKie
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-09-22 16:36:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Jori McKie
Simply put: We may witnessed the dawn of a new era in physics.

> Complete new and different method to calculate collisions of subatomic particles, means (if it works and is correct) no need for supercomputers anymore. The math is so easy you can do it on paper.

> Possible method to solve many many problems the QFT and String theory has. (Strong hints that it will work in that direction)

> Possible method to find GUT (Grand Unified Theory), the thing what will explain everything :) (Speculation)


The kick behind all of it is

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Puzzling Thoughts

Locality and unitarity are the central pillars of quantum field theory, but as the following thought experiments show, both break down in certain situations involving gravity. This suggests physics should be formulated without either principle.

Locality says that particles interact at points in space-time. But suppose you want to inspect space-time very closely. Probing smaller and smaller distance scales requires ever higher energies, but at a certain scale, called the Planck length, the picture gets blurry: So much energy must be concentrated into such a small region that the energy collapses the region into a black hole, making it impossible to inspect. “There’s no way of measuring space and time separations once they are smaller than the Planck length,” said Arkani-Hamed. “So we imagine space-time is a continuous thing, but because it’s impossible to talk sharply about that thing, then that suggests it must not be fundamental — it must be emergent.”

Unitarity says the quantum mechanical probabilities of all possible outcomes of a particle interaction must sum to one. To prove it, one would have to observe the same interaction over and over and count the frequencies of the different outcomes. Doing this to perfect accuracy would require an infinite number of observations using an infinitely large measuring apparatus, but the latter would again cause gravitational collapse into a black hole. In finite regions of the universe, unitarity can therefore only be approximately known.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar

Noriko Satomi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-09-22 18:12:42 UTC
Very interesting finding, though at the end they fall into the trap of timelessness. Space may not be fundamental but I believe time is, though Lee Smolin's explanation of why lacks rigor for my tastes.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#14 - 2013-09-22 18:26:43 UTC
Noriko Satomi wrote:
Very interesting finding, though at the end they fall into the trap of timelessness. Space may not be fundamental but I believe time is, though Lee Smolin's explanation of why lacks rigor for my tastes.



Then try Julian Barbour's "The End of Time"

Time can't be fundamental as it indeed does not exist. It's all just changing configuration states.

Or, at least that's what I'm convinced of currently.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-09-22 18:28:59 UTC
I hate it- every time a major scientific breakthrough is announced I discover that I am apparently far too dumb to understand it.

Still..time-space-quantum-gravity thingy sounds pretty impressive.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Noriko Satomi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-09-22 20:10:02 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Noriko Satomi wrote:
Very interesting finding, though at the end they fall into the trap of timelessness. Space may not be fundamental but I believe time is, though Lee Smolin's explanation of why lacks rigor for my tastes.



Then try Julian Barbour's "The End of Time"

Time can't be fundamental as it indeed does not exist. It's all just changing configuration states.

Or, at least that's what I'm convinced of currently.

Except that Barbour's assumption that models of finite sections of the universe can be scaled to describe the entire universe, which allows a conclusion of timelessness, is flawed. Granted it is a mainstream idea, but it requires axioms which are actually disputable.
Noriko Satomi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-09-22 20:12:50 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
I hate it- every time a major scientific breakthrough is announced I discover that I am apparently far too dumb to understand it.

Still..time-space-quantum-gravity thingy sounds pretty impressive.

I find it unlikely that your lack of understanding is attributable to mental horsepower. You do play Eve after all. Rather let's just say you haven't developed the foundation.
Jori McKie
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-09-22 21:09:45 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
I hate it- every time a major scientific breakthrough is announced I discover that I am apparently far too dumb to understand it.

Still..time-space-quantum-gravity thingy sounds pretty impressive.

Don't worry you are not alone. There is a saying that maybe 100 people alive completly understand the ART and only half of them the QFT.


Anyway don't take any of this as prove for anything right now it is just a not yet proved neat mathematical method which may result in a shift of thinking about how to approach quantum physics.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#19 - 2013-09-22 21:20:21 UTC
Noriko Satomi wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Noriko Satomi wrote:
Very interesting finding, though at the end they fall into the trap of timelessness. Space may not be fundamental but I believe time is, though Lee Smolin's explanation of why lacks rigor for my tastes.



Then try Julian Barbour's "The End of Time"

Time can't be fundamental as it indeed does not exist. It's all just changing configuration states.

Or, at least that's what I'm convinced of currently.

Except that Barbour's assumption that models of finite sections of the universe can be scaled to describe the entire universe, which allows a conclusion of timelessness, is flawed. Granted it is a mainstream idea, but it requires axioms which are actually disputable.


Well, I don't think anybody can declare right and wrong about any of this, by a long shot. Barbour and Smolin can only point things in certain directions. The answer lies elsewhere, with both of them having made some valid points.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Something Random
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-09-22 21:27:43 UTC
Way out there, ive read it through to the bitter end. Have a real hard time grasping things explained in a sentence based on a theory a book long.....

But ill bite.....

' But the new amplituhedron research suggests space-time, and therefore dimensions, may be illusory anyway.'

Thats what matters here, thats the quote to hang them on. Should it be necessary.

/cue dramatic hit

"caught on fire a little bit, just a little."

"Delinquents, check, weirdos, check, hippies, check, pillheads, check, freaks, check, potheads, check .....gangs all here!"

I love Science, it gives me a Hadron.

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