EVE General Discussion

They often do check and question it, but they don't check the authenticity of the lies you tell them.

Beyond the obvious awoxing and spy threats, corp hoppers are not high on recruiting lists for a couple reasons. For one, loyalty actually counts for something. Becoming part of the group socially is hard if you aren't around long enough to know anyone.

How invested in a corp or area can you be if you were only there briefly? That tells a recruiter you are probably asking more about what benefit to you the corp or region is, not the other way around. Recruiters can spot the player that just wants greener pastures to rat in and won't be bothered to contribute when they are called upon.

Every corp/alliance has ups and downs, are you likely to jump ship at the first sign of difficulty? A pile of corps in your history may indicate that when the going gets tough, like inconvenient war decs or losing all your sov, you are going to simply bail.

Short stays in corps is also a red flag for uncooperative players. Ones that tend to find drama shortly after arriving, then storm off after a hissy fit on the corp forum.

Mostly, that recruiter is going to assume you will be, at best, a tourist in their corp as well, and really why would they want you if that's the case?


Contrary to popular belief, just having a bunch of members in a corp/alliance isn't nearly as important as having active players that contribute- if not massively then at least reliably. FC's need to be able to count on X number of ships for an op, on average, to determine doctrines and tactical limitations....for example if your rally cry nets all of 5 dudes in frigates, your chances of taking sov are low. But if you can count on 75 people to log in with a full BS fleet and support when called. if people log in at ridiculous hours to make a timer....you have some more operational flexibility.
Tourists aren't likely to add anything that an alt of a fleet member couldn't.

Have you considered looking at joining on of the RvB corps..

They have a pretty open recuitment and generally good fun.

And if you stick with them have some good pvp but decide to move to Null they are more likely to take you in

corp hoppers, the lost kind of grass hoppers.

I know!

--No, loyal members tend to come from the large pool of players that aren't corp hoppers. This seems obvious- corp hoppers, by definition have demonstrated little interest in loyalty. Thus recruiters will demonstrate an equal lack of interest in taking on those players.
Just like in RL, a corp cannot succeed running around unable to make long term plans because they've recruited people who can't be relied upon come next week, much less next month.

Corps, alliances, empires are not built by quitters.


--Why?
Other players and their corps/alliances do not owe you anything. They don't owe you 'a chance'. They certainly don't owe you safety and support when the one thing they do ask in return is support in PvP...and that is exactly the one thing that is 'too much to expect' from you?
Wow, making a great case for bothering with that type of player...just to hope that he graces a fleet with his presence. The ego does flow....considering your contribution is likely on par with that of an alt for someone that actually shows up to fleets.

It's telling that you seem to think random corps and their members have a responsibility to you to benefit your toon as a pre-condition to even applying- yet in return you offer exactly the opposite- hard evidence of a lack of loyalty and contribution.


--In other words- you are only there to make isk hiding behind other people's effort (like taking sov, holding space, being able to call for help if you get tackled, space stations to dock in and facilities like repair, clones, research and manufacture, jump bridge networks) yet offer absolutely nothing in return, going so far as to rail against the only thing most corps actually need from players- fleet up when needed.

From those people come only exactly what is in black and white in your corp history-- zero loyalty, someone only interested in using other people for their own benefit, and that will just pack up and leave if the world doesn't come together to make their toon wealthy.
There's too many people willing to be useful, to contribute and even sacrifice for the group, to bother with the selfish and anti-social. Any toon can train to do anything, so you're not in any way unique or irreplaceable...applications always come down to the player, not his toon.



--CVA? Maybe a variation but I think what you mean is CTA- Call To Arms.
Again- you've listed exactly ONE contribution to the group expected of all members, and it's already too rich for your blood? So far you demand entry just to see if the corp is even 'worthy' of your Eve-mastery, you expect corps to have a place for your ships to land, resources like refining, research, repair and offices for clones, upgrades to ratting, better belts....but the corp is way out of line to ask even lift a finger in return? Got it.

It's comical to use the term 'two way street' but nowhere in your post actually demonstrate one. Your post can be summed up with three words...me, me, me.

The reality is that being in a good corp/alliance offers boundless benefits far in excess of anything you could do alone, and far in excess than what is ever asked in return.
Most importantly, what you get are friends. This is an MMO, upwards of 70k online at any time according to the launcher thingy. This game is just an excuse to hang out with friends. By being loyal to one group for longer than six minutes, by being social, friendly, and occasionally useful, I have met people from around the world that I call true friends beyond the scope of a video game.

Positively hilarious coming from someone in EXE

Close, but no cigar.

Didn't mean to touch a nerve, bro.

E: Always funny to see non-goons call people "pubbie"

People leave their corporations after a short stay, if the corporation didn't live up to expectations. Sometimes people just eat the stuff in recruitment chat raw, and they end up in a corporation that doesn't do daily mining ops, pvp training, whs, lowsec roams, lvl 4 mission running, free skillbook program, free frigates for newbies programmes etc.

I try and make sure my recruiters don't lie as it helps exactly no one if people were mislead into joining and don't get what they expected. There are plenty of corps that do lie and many many incredibly awful corps in eve. Joining a few bad corps is fine but people that do that over and over without learning to do some basic research somewhere along the line. These people are not showing a capacity to learn.