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Red Frog robbed of 45 Billion

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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#41 - 2013-09-22 12:22:31 UTC
Locin WeEda wrote:
There is a little addendum to this story that has not made the press yet, it seems.

Today, after some contemplation, Beatrice, via a newly created alt, transferred 44.5 billion ISK back to our corp White Frog Insurance.

That is something at least I will remember Beatrice for.





That's nice to know.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#42 - 2013-09-22 12:34:20 UTC
Zappity wrote:


Black Frog I understand because it is a more 'specialist' service (eg jump freighter into low or null) but any muppet can do highsec courier hauling.



,,,,but can they do it as well ?

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#43 - 2013-09-22 12:46:35 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Zappity wrote:


Black Frog I understand because it is a more 'specialist' service (eg jump freighter into low or null) but any muppet can do highsec courier hauling.



,,,,but can they do it as well ?

I used Brand 'X' Hauling service, and all I got on the far end was my collateral. Sad
Sure, the collateral was nice, but what I *really* wanted was my cargo in a timely fashion so I could put it to use.

I endorse 'Frog' brand hauling services.

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2013-09-22 15:54:59 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Zappity wrote:


Black Frog I understand because it is a more 'specialist' service (eg jump freighter into low or null) but any muppet can do highsec courier hauling.



,,,,but can they do it as well ?


Trade hub to hub. Any accessible place. Anyone can do fine. In most cases just throwing up a public contract for ~500mil isk/jump will get it moved and generally quickly.

Backwater systems IMO is where services like red frog shine. Because otherwise most public haulers aren't going to waste their time going after some backwater contract 30j away.
Dave stark
#45 - 2013-09-22 17:36:38 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
~500mil isk/jump will get it moved and generally quickly.


no ****. 500 million isk per jump is insane.
Zaxix
State War Academy
Caldari State
#46 - 2013-09-22 17:44:47 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
~500mil isk/jump will get it moved and generally quickly.


no ****. 500 million isk per jump is insane.

I think your sarcasm detector is broken

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Dave stark
#47 - 2013-09-22 17:48:20 UTC
Zaxix wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
~500mil isk/jump will get it moved and generally quickly.


no ****. 500 million isk per jump is insane.

I think your sarcasm detector is broken

if that was sarcasm, it was ******* terrible sarcasm.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#48 - 2013-09-22 18:21:12 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Zaxix wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
~500mil isk/jump will get it moved and generally quickly.


no ****. 500 million isk per jump is insane.

I think your sarcasm detector is broken

if that was sarcasm, it was ******* terrible sarcasm.


Offensively terrible, tbh.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#49 - 2013-09-22 22:59:59 UTC
Annette Nolen wrote:
Zappity wrote:
What makes red frog better than a fully collateralised (plus a bit) public courier contract?

Black Frog I understand because it is a more 'specialist' service (eg jump freighter into low or null) but any muppet can do highsec courier hauling.


1. Consistency - Turn-around time and pricing for Red Frog is predictable no matter where you are in Empire. When you use Red Frog you can count on your Bashyam to Gelfiven contract being delivered for the same cost/jump and in roughly the same time frame as your Jita to Amarr contracts. Public contracts can work well for popular trade routes, but good luck with those back-water systems.

2. Reliability - With a properly collateralized contract you are never going to lose, but sometimes you'd rather just have what you intended to ship without the hassle of replacing it. Red Frog ships everything in freighters, even that 0m3 PLEX you need out in the middle of nowhere far more than you need the 600m ISK collateral from the guy who got ganked trying to deliver it in a shuttle.

3. Accountability - Red Frog strives hard to keep our queue young. Pilots that don't meet our delivery standards don't last long. Sure, nobody's perfect, but we have many internal metrics and processes to promote speedy shipping. When you post to Red Frog you know your package will be delivered by one of these diligent pilots, not by some random who is trying out hauling for the first time ever on public contracts and decided to log out in the middle of your job.

4. Trust - ALWAYS COLLATERALIZE YOUR CONTRACTS PROPERLY! That said, if you do happen to typo the collateral, Red Frog usually rejects it quickly and lets you know. Of course, theft does happen, nobody is perfect, but I'm pretty sure the odds of getting your stuff back post-mistake are much higher with RF than with public contracts.

Of course, Red Frog is not for everyone and not for every job. I can't speak for Red Frog as a corp -- I'm just a lowly contract pilot -- but I fully support the efforts of places like the "Haulers Channel" and I feel there is plenty of work in New Eden for all haulers, Frog or not!




Why do I get the impression that the people behind Red Frog are also big wheels working for UPS or FedEx in RL? Cool

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Felicity Love
Doomheim
#50 - 2013-09-22 23:20:18 UTC
Even with the best effort at "Op Sec"... EVE is no different than RL where the classic "inside job" will always be the hardest to protect against in any corporate theft or fraud.

Just saying.



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Maliandra
Doomheim
#51 - 2013-09-23 00:37:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Maliandra
Sir Jack Falstaff wrote:
The whole thing is kind of tawdry and pathetic, like a Best Buy clerk grabbing a stack of DVDs and running away, while imagining himself some kind of Walter White. The great Eve exploits are breathtakingly amoral to softhearted fools such as myself, but you can't help but be impressed by the scope and audacity of the legendary ones, like the Ubiqua Seraph or Band of Brothers betrayals. This is not in that class. It's a bit sad to see someone torpedo a friendship over petty larceny which involved no more cleverness than moving ISK from one wallet tom another and then running away.

Also, I'm amused by Pirahna's assertion that in real life, white collar embezzlement will get you beat up. Maybe minimum security prison if you're unlucky. But more likely just sued and fired. But if you rip off ordinary citizens, your corporation is likely to be rewarded with juicy tax breaks and exemptions!
Try to think twice next time before you post a Breaking Bad spoiler in a random thread like this. Way to (partially) ruin 6 episodes for me :P. It's not a big deal or anything but I'm sure you'd be a bit annoyed in the reverse, right?
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#52 - 2013-09-25 22:36:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Severide
Diomedes Calypso wrote:
]Anyway, whenever The Mitanni is mentioned I hope people take the time to reflect also on the history of a proud people...
Um....no....


Maliandra wrote:
Try to think twice next time before you post a Breaking Bad spoiler in a random thread like this. Way to (partially) ruin 6 episodes for me :P. It's not a big deal or anything but I'm sure you'd be a bit annoyed in the reverse, right?

Wow, that is truely pathetic....whining or what...

Everyone is always repeating the mantra "Don't Trust Anyone" ad nauseum... If I can't trust the guys I play with, why bother playing with them at all? Fly Solo...

Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#53 - 2013-09-26 02:12:38 UTC
Bah, that was quite disappointing. Not much cleverness or intrigue at all.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#54 - 2013-09-26 06:47:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Zappity
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Zappity wrote:


Black frog I understand because it is a more 'specialist' service (eg jump freighter into low or null) but any muppet can do highsec courier hauling.



,,,,but can they do it as well ?


This is how I move stuff between Jita and the hubs:

1. Collateral = estimated value + ~50% up to 850m per contract. I think the freighter Tornado gank breakeven is still around 900m (I'd like to know the correct figure actually).

2. Reward = between 0.2% and 0.5% of collateral.

3. Set to 2 weeks and 3 days for delivery time.

Transfer to or from Jita is almost always done overnight. If something is urgent I pay 0.5% and set it to 1 day and it is snapped up quickly. If I need to send a consignment to a non-hub highsec system I will always transit through the local hub. This doubles the logistics cost and is still cheaper.

In what sense can any particular courier do this 'better'? It either arrives on time or it doesn't. Either way, I win.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Kalishka Askulf
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2013-09-26 07:09:01 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Zappity wrote:


Black Frog I understand because it is a more 'specialist' service (eg jump freighter into low or null) but any muppet can do highsec courier hauling.



,,,,but can they do it as well ?



Idk, if their Corp security is anything to go by.... P
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