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(Moderators, Please Lock Thread) To those miners and missioners who wish to be left alone.

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The Apostle
Doomheim
#101 - 2011-10-31 21:40:38 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Considering EVE has been growing for almost a decade now and that I have had one gank attempt in the past 6 years on one of my haulers I would say its a none issue to all but a few.

And this is actually a fair point.

Even Hulkageddon was limited in that it ran for 10 days or so. No real biggie. But a concerted effort to bring suicide ganking to a sustained and deadly (long-term?) operation is a whole new ball game.

There are players in Eve that are ONLY miners. It's all they do. It's all they've trained to be. Sustained and prolonged miner victimization WILL have an effect on their ability to enjoy the game. It will cost.

It's a very short-sighted view to be quoting nothing but memes to justify repeated vicious acts in the name of "the sandbox" on ONE type of player.

[i]Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo![/i]
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#102 - 2011-10-31 21:46:54 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Considering EVE has been growing for almost a decade now and that I have had one gank attempt in the past 6 years on one of my haulers I would say its a none issue to all but a few.

And this is actually a fair point.

Even Hulkageddon was limited in that it ran for 10 days or so. No real biggie. But a concerted effort to bring suicide ganking to a sustained and deadly (long-term?) operation is a whole new ball game.

There are players in Eve that are ONLY miners. It's all they do. It's all they've trained to be. Sustained and prolonged miner victimization WILL have an effect on their ability to enjoy the game. It will cost.

It's a very short-sighted view to be quoting nothing but memes to justify repeated vicious acts in the name of "the sandbox" on ONE type of player.


We are talking about a handfull of systems in gal space. The vast bulk of high sec is business as usaual and ganks a rare thing.
Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#103 - 2011-10-31 21:48:11 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
There are players in Eve that are ONLY miners. It's all they do. It's all they've trained to be. Sustained and prolonged miner victimization WILL have an effect on their ability to enjoy the game. It will cost.

I didn't realize we had managed to shut down all mining in the game. That's impressive even for us!
The Apostle
Doomheim
#104 - 2011-10-31 21:48:26 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Considering EVE has been growing for almost a decade now and that I have had one gank attempt in the past 6 years on one of my haulers I would say its a none issue to all but a few.

And this is actually a fair point.

Even Hulkageddon was limited in that it ran for 10 days or so. No real biggie. But a concerted effort to bring suicide ganking to a sustained and deadly (long-term?) operation is a whole new ball game.

There are players in Eve that are ONLY miners. It's all they do. It's all they've trained to be. Sustained and prolonged miner victimization WILL have an effect on their ability to enjoy the game. It will cost.

It's a very short-sighted view to be quoting nothing but memes to justify repeated vicious acts in the name of "the sandbox" on ONE type of player.


We are talking about a handfull of systems in gal space. The vast bulk of high sec is business as usaual and ganks a rare thing.

Have you kept up with the news?

[i]Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo![/i]
The Apostle
Doomheim
#105 - 2011-10-31 21:49:01 UTC
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
There are players in Eve that are ONLY miners. It's all they do. It's all they've trained to be. Sustained and prolonged miner victimization WILL have an effect on their ability to enjoy the game. It will cost.

I didn't realize we had managed to shut down all mining in the game. That's impressive even for us!

Have YOU kept up with the news?

[i]Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo![/i]
Vricrolatious
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#106 - 2011-10-31 21:52:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Vricrolatious
The Apostle wrote:
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
There are players in Eve that are ONLY miners. It's all they do. It's all they've trained to be. Sustained and prolonged miner victimization WILL have an effect on their ability to enjoy the game. It will cost.

I didn't realize we had managed to shut down all mining in the game. That's impressive even for us!

Have YOU kept up with the news?


If we had been able to shut down all mining through New Eden, Dear Leader would have sent out a Jabber broadcast and there'd be a thread about it on our internal boards. I don't know what you're using as a source, mate, but it's a bit off on it's intel for you.

WIDot, Best Dot, Even Sans Dot! -Vric
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#107 - 2011-10-31 21:53:06 UTC
The Apostle wrote:

Have you kept up with the news?


What tin foil theory have you been reading now?
Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#108 - 2011-10-31 21:54:08 UTC
Let me guess...Riverini made up some more stuff about us?
Vricrolatious
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#109 - 2011-10-31 21:57:38 UTC
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:
Let me guess...Riverini made up some more stuff about us?


I don't see an "article" (I'm using that term to be nice here) on EVENews24 yet, but I'm sure something's coming.

WIDot, Best Dot, Even Sans Dot! -Vric
The Apostle
Doomheim
#110 - 2011-10-31 21:57:52 UTC
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:
Let me guess...Riverini made up some more stuff about us?

Mittens himself said he is talking to Helicity to start a campaign that would make previous Hulkageddons look like dog and pony shows.

He may also be no more than trolling. I accept that as a possibility as well but he has posted twice on Eve-O about it.

[i]Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo![/i]
Aida Nu
Perkone
Caldari State
#111 - 2011-10-31 21:58:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Aida Nu
The Apostle wrote:


stuff



Ok Mr 7 accounts.
Stop pulling science from your ass that EVE is going to die and we are all doomed if EVE doesnt become fluffy pony land.
From my understanding this game keeps growing and has always done so since its beginning.
For each year there are more and more subscribers. So no, just because you started playing this game and didnt find some aspects of it to your liking does not mean its dying.

And dont try to bullshit us that you care for new players. You are just sad that your alt got ganked while you where activating veldspar violator modules on your other 6 accounts, and wasnt paying attention.

And its not about defending a "pointless activity". The "bittervets" and many more of us are trying to stop people like you from turning EVE into something its not. Trying to stop it being dumbed down, restricted and divided into non-pvp areas and pvp areas. That will surely be the doom of this game.

I can agree that insurance for example could be halved or something if you explode to Concord. I think most people are ok with that.
But you and your 6 other accounts are spamming the forums for removing the possibility for non-consensual PVP in some areas. And that i do not agree with, as are many others.
EVEs core mechanics and idea should NOT change because miners are to lazy to align to a station and keep an eye on the overview if a combat ship is approaching them.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#112 - 2011-10-31 22:05:18 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:
Let me guess...Riverini made up some more stuff about us?

Mittens himself said he is talking to Helicity to start a campaign that would make previous Hulkageddons look like dog and pony shows.

He may also be no more than trolling. I accept that as a possibility as well but he has posted twice on Eve-O about it.


God forbid the next hulkageddon will have better prizes.
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#113 - 2011-10-31 22:06:21 UTC
The Apostle wrote:


Any player that is HAPPY to have fire rain down on their heads is either a masochist or flat-out lying.




Let me guess, you are one of those people in real life that never does anything for fear of losing. Half of the fun of this game is that you may lose your 'stuff' at any point in time. Playing games without the potential of loss equals a massive waste of time. Even more of a waste of time then losing that ship you worked weeks to get into. PERIOD!


Slade
Captain Megadeath
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#114 - 2011-10-31 22:07:13 UTC
Well I'm a miner, if EvE turns into the my little pony land that the clampet apostle wants then I'm outa here and I think a lot more would leave than those who left due to monaclegate.

PvP-free zones goes against one of the founding principles of EvE - it's a cold dark universe.

If you want to hold hands then I may suggest Star trek online.
Klask Atriund
Kindred Rising
#115 - 2011-10-31 22:07:26 UTC
Barbelo Valentinian wrote:
Two words: Stockholm SyndromeLol



Ha, this got me
Vricrolatious
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#116 - 2011-10-31 22:11:21 UTC
Aida Nu wrote:
The Apostle wrote:


stuff


EVEs core mechanics and idea should NOT change because miners are to lazy to align to a station and keep an eye on the overview if a combat ship is approaching them.


This right here is the single most important bit of info every miner should know and use. As people have pointed out that tanking your Hulk isn't always going to work We can alpha other battleships and freighters with the right numbers, so your Hulk is not special if it's tanked.

I do think that one of the reasons that CCP is always pushing players to join corps is because you can ask for help and info in corp and alliance channels. Depending on your corp, you'll get trolled on occasion, but a lot of us Bitter Vets are actually willing to answer questions and help new players out. We're willing to share info with our corp mates so they don't lose ships for stupid reasons and yes, losing your barge to a gank in High Sec is a stupid way to a lose a ship and a costly lesson, but it's better to lose that Covetor to Goons (or some other ganker) early on and get over the loss of ships instead of going two or three years without losing one and then having to deal with that pricey freighter loss that may set you off. This is why the tutorials that CCP put in place actually cover a ship loss now, so you know it can happen and that once it's gone, it's not coming back.

If people want to AFK mine or AFK haul, they need to be aware that they stand a chance of losing that shiny little bit of pixels they've got there and if that bothers them, EVE is not the game for them and never will be. Those that think EVE would be a great game if PvP was opt in or High Sec was 100% safe need to take their crusade somewhere else and never come back to EVE and we won't join the games they want to play and try to make it all PvP all the time.

WIDot, Best Dot, Even Sans Dot! -Vric
The Apostle
Doomheim
#117 - 2011-10-31 22:12:06 UTC
Aida Nu wrote:
Ok Mr 7 accounts.

It's 4.

Aida Nu wrote:

EVEs core mechanics and idea should NOT change because miners are to lazy to align to a station and keep an eye on the overview if a combat ship is approaching them.

Ofc. Your views are noted and have been waxed lyrically on by a few with the same moronic mentality.

"Combat ship approaching" and "Align to station" are two such moronic points of contention.

As I have said countless times, you are asking me to believe that EVERY SINGLE MINER of the 1500+ taken out by Goons in the ice interdiction alone were stupid and had no idea at all how to play. NONE of them?

[i]Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo![/i]
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
#118 - 2011-10-31 22:13:07 UTC
WTB: Sophistry Skillbook

Root cause of the problem--massive amounts of liquidity doing nothing in corp and player wallets. Tends to produce boredom.

I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.
The Apostle
Doomheim
#119 - 2011-10-31 22:13:43 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:
The Apostle wrote:


Any player that is HAPPY to have fire rain down on their heads is either a masochist or flat-out lying.




Let me guess, you are one of those people in real life that never does anything for fear of losing. Half of the fun of this game is that you may lose your 'stuff' at any point in time. Playing games without the potential of loss equals a massive waste of time. Even more of a waste of time then losing that ship you worked weeks to get into. PERIOD!


Slade

Around this place, it's more of a risk defying the status quo.

[i]Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo![/i]
Vricrolatious
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#120 - 2011-10-31 22:15:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Vricrolatious
The Apostle wrote:
Aida Nu wrote:
Ok Mr 7 accounts.

It's 4.

Aida Nu wrote:

EVEs core mechanics and idea should NOT change because miners are to lazy to align to a station and keep an eye on the overview if a combat ship is approaching them.

Ofc. Your views are noted and have been waxed lyrically on by a few with the same moronic mentality.

"Combat ship approaching" and "Align to station" are two such moronic points of contention.

As I have said countless times, you are asking me to believe that EVERY SINGLE MINER of the 1500+ taken out by Goons in the ice interdiction alone were stupid and had no idea at all how to play. NONE of them?


Actually, if you read the chat logs posted to our internal boards and some of the eve mails that have posted, you'd be inclined to agree that a great many of those lost barges were flown by people that had no idea they could even be shot at in High Sec.

WIDot, Best Dot, Even Sans Dot! -Vric