EVE General Discussion

Well, not quite. They harrass anybody that is engaging in certain professions. Those players are all free to do something else or do the same thing somewhere else. The griefing policy isn't so much about stopping annoying behavior, it is about two things- preying on players basically during their first few hours in the game and preventing a specific player from really playing the game at all. Outside of those two pretty narrow exceptions CCP doesn't really intervene in conflicts between players.

I do think CCP ought to look at whether ganking as a means to market manipulation is properly balanced. If it's too easy to pull off and too hard to counter for the enormous rewards it generates, they should make it harder, easier to counter or less rewarding just like they would with any other profession. After all, individual goons are now bragging on the forum about personally having made tens of billions of ISK with only a couple hours of work doing something that really doesn't take much skill. If that were suddenly true of missioning or faction warfare or exploration sites or whatever, it'd need to be looked into to.

Honestly, my feeling is that the first time somebody does it, that shows a fair amount of innovation and creativity, and it's fine they got rewarded for that. But if the mechanic stays the same then they could just keep repeating it or other corps could just copy it, and then that's just imbalance at that point. Without the innovation part, it's just money that is too easy.

But it isn't griefing.

Always saw the saying "it builds character" as bullshit and just means "yeah it sucks but deal with it".

In the first 24 hours I made a billion in profits from isotopes and sales of barges and brutix gank packs are higher then my production can keep up with.

All of EVE depends on fuel, and an extra-special amount of EVE depends on Oxygen Isotopes. These are the fuel for the most popular types of supercapitals, the Rorqual industrial ship, and for Gallente towers, which are the backbone of moon mineral reaction chains and thus of T2 production all across EVE. The economy depends on Oxytopes like it does on few other resources. If anything were to happen to the price of this one item, the howls would be louder than anything short of removing Veldspar from the game. (For some numbers, to supply the Oxytopes addiction of Jita alone, it takes approximately 200 Mackinaws mining Blue Ice 23/7...forever.)

Guess what we're going to do? -The Mittani

When Goons started the Ice Interdiction Operation, it was for several reason and above is one of them. This is called Resource Denial and it's a valid warfare tactic.

Two years ago, in May of 2009, Noir. was contracted to deny access to all asteroid belts in a 1.0 system. How is Goons current operation any different other than A) It's on a larger scale and B) It's Goons and not Noir.

And no, I'm tnot trying to make the thread "It's all about Goons" thread, but I've noticed several times in the past 12 pages that we're brought up frequently and I've seen several of the new "Make Highsec Safe" posts reference the current Ice Interdiction, so I figured I'd run with it for one reply

Even the Goon bots?

"Griefing" in the EULA is vage at best.

Its actually not what you think it is and using the word griefing is appropriated.

Pretty much, if you have a character and all is does is suicide gank, yes that can be banned, but once you kill a single rat your not considered greifing. as Now you are making ISK and playing part of the game.

I have yet to see corp mate killers get banned from game as all they do is grief people.

You guys are morons to think you can use the EULA to prove your point.

No, that will not get you banned.