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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#21 - 2013-09-24 21:58:14 UTC
Hammer Crendraven wrote:
Here is more food for thought, as in it happened to me so why not others also.

Lets say you built several hundred or thousand different ships before retribution. Then for whatever reason you let your sub run out. Then resubed now or in the future and you are sitting on a large stock pile of ships you built at the old mineral cost before extra minerals were added to the blueprint.

Ok now you can enter the market and undercut all the current manufacturers because they can not sell new made ships at a profit at the price you can sell yours for at a profit. So you can win a price war but only until your stock is gone.

What I find interesting though is when I start a price war even 20+ jumps from Jita and sell at 20% less than the Jita price to win my local market price war then the Jita price soon followed my local price and the rest of eve followed suit. My local price war impacted the entire eve price. I assume that as soon as I run out the price will return to its original price point some 20% higher.
As I will not be able to make a profit either on new made ships at the price I am selling them for now.

By the way it was 3 days before the Jita price reacted to my local price so it was not an immediate response. But I truely did not expect Jita price to drop at all as I was some 20 Jumps away. Then within a day the rest of the trading hubs also droped.

If you are a trader in ships, IE you buy at Jita and move them out to remote hubs to resell then your cost basis is the Jita price and now you are stuck with inventory you can not sell at a profit but this is temporary IMHO.

So if this happened to me then I can certainly see others causing a similar effect.

P.S. I am not cornering the market in all ship types. I only have a handfull of ships types I built like this.


I'm assuming you've already sold off those ships, if so would you mind telling us which ships they were and what regions so we can look at the market history and confirm for ourselves?

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Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-09-24 22:06:13 UTC
Logical Chaos wrote:
Hammer Crendraven wrote:
Here is more food for thought, as in it happened to me so why not others also.

Lets say you built several hundred or thousand different ships before retribution. Then for whatever reason you let your sub run out. Then resubed now or in the future and you are sitting on a large stock pile of ships you built at the old mineral cost before extra minerals were added to the blueprint.

Ok now you can enter the market and undercut all the current manufacturers because they can not sell new made ships at a profit at the price you can sell yours for at a profit. So you can win a price war but only until your stock is gone.

What I find interesting though is when I start a price war even 20+ jumps from Jita and sell at 20% less than the Jita price to win my local market price war then the Jita price soon followed my local price and the rest of eve followed suit. My local price war impacted the entire eve price. I assume that as soon as I run out the price will return to its original price point some 20% higher.
As I will not be able to make a profit either on new made ships at the price I am selling them for now.

By the way it was 3 days before the Jita price reacted to my local price so it was not an immediate response. But I truely did not expect Jita price to drop at all as I was some 20 Jumps away. Then within a day the rest of the trading hubs also droped.

If you are a trader in ships, IE you buy at Jita and move them out to remote hubs to resell then your cost basis is the Jita price and now you are stuck with inventory you can not sell at a profit but this is temporary IMHO.

So if this happened to me then I can certainly see others causing a similar effect.

P.S. I am not cornering the market in all ship types. I only have a handfull of ships types I built like this.


I don't know how big your operations are, but it is highly unlikely that you as an individual are having any effect on prices, especially not Jita prices.


You are probably right, just coincident that Jita followed my lead on multiple ship types from 20+ jumps away.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#23 - 2013-09-25 16:57:14 UTC

The value of T2 ships is down due to the moon goo rebalance dropping the price of the moon materials used to build them.

T1 ships have dropped in value because the value of the minerals used to build them have dropped. This is due to a combination of the ore composition changes, and the increase of industrial, renter alliances that has resulted from reduced alliance income driven by the same moon goo changes.

I believe the value of pirate and navy faction ships has dropped due to the ship rebalance making normal T1 and T2 ships much more popular reducing the demand for the pirate faction ships. Is it really worth spending 400% more on a machariel ship hull, now that the isk/hr income is only marginally better?

I get comparable DPS, completion times, and better range with my fleet typhoon. it only cost me about 300M for the Hull. Nearly 1/3rd the current price of a machariel.

Why spend over 1B on a machariel? 850M (current price) is still over priced as far as I am concerned. I expect they will come down even more before they level off. 650M would be a good price point with the current ship balance Especially with the marauder rebalance coming with the winter expansion.
Alberik
Eusebius Corporation
#24 - 2013-09-26 15:24:57 UTC
Following Ockham's razor its most unlikely that everything is becoming cheaper, as its much easier thinking that isk is becoming more valuable.

i heard ccp is buffing isk in the winter expansion and this info has leaked. my guess is they will double the power of isk so i can only advise everybody to flow markets with everything available at about half the market price.
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