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Вот мы и вернулись к Аргументу Номер Один — «сделайте мне удобно и привычно». Хотите обучать и помогать? Прекрасно! Но при чём здесь ваше удобство? Тех, кого вы будете обучать, всегда будет больше — и я в первую очередь блюду их интересы.

So we went back to the number one argument - "make me comfortable and familiar." Do you want to teach and help? Fine! But what is your convenience? Those whom you teach, there will always be more - and I'm primarily a dish of their interests.

P.S. older pilot must play uncomfortable client?



С этим аргументом я знаком, отвечаю всегда однотипно: оригинальные тексты написаны на обычном английском языке, с ходу понятном любому носителю языка. Хотите пользоваться сленгом — пользуйтесь, но в официальном переводе его не будет; задача сопоставления жаргона и терминов перевода вполне по силам любому здравомыслящему игроку.

This argument I know, same type of answer is always: the original texts are written in plain English, the move can understand any native speaker. Do you want to use slang - use, but in an official translation of it shall not be the task of comparing the jargon and terms of transfer are quite capable of any sensible player.

P.S. Slang used word as "Armor", "Shiled", "Navigation", but RU localisators do not use it becouse it is slang (not a literary language).


В оригинале есть слово «Armor», за трактовку и стилизацию которого (в пределах существующих вариантов перевода) отвечаем мы, а вовсе не авторы оригинального текста. Грубо говоря, они забеспокоятся лишь в том случае, если наш перевод будет прямо противоречить смыслу оригинала (вместо чего-то, что имеет отношение к бронезащите кораблей — категория навыков «Доспехи», категория навыков «Цветочки и пчёлки», etc.).

In the original, there is a word «Armor», for treatment and styling (at the limits of existing translations) we are responsible, not the authors of the original text. Roughly speaking, they began to worry only if our translation is directly contrary to the meaning of the original (instead of something that has to do with armor protection of ships - the category of skills, "Armor", category of skills, "Flowers and Bees», etc.).

P.S. If eng - Armor and ru - Flower, you change it, but if eng Armor and ru - bla-bla Armor bla-bla, go away - translate is good?

Original: RU discussion, 30 pages, closed
translate from Google.Translate.

+1 I think this is vital for communication between other languages and needs to change.

We kind of did. I wouldn't call a couple of lengthy posts by CCP Shiny (head of loc here at CCP), a proper threadnaught with a dozen replies by your truly (which actually resulted in us scrapping the original proposal and re-doing the translation from scratch), a hour-long podcast with me explaining our position in great detail, and an in-depth loc panel at last Fanfest a "complete lack of communication".


I don't think that we will have the capacity to handle sol system names anytime soon; and even when we get there, we will be phonetically transcribing them, not translating (this has already been done for the Japanese client). I can't see how learning to pronounce, say, region names properly can hurt anyone's attempts at communicating with foreign players. Oh, and dragging-and-dropping localized names into chat channels results in EN client users seeing original names (and vice versa).


This option has been available to players for what, two years now? We are not ripping it out; instead, we are working on further developing the so-called "bilingual functionality", which already includes language-agnostic search, optional full name replacement, English tooltips, etc. (an industry first, as far as I'm aware).

It seems to me that it was closed because certain players decided to resort to personal attacks on CCP staff as a surefure way of winning an argument — and because we don't have that many Russian-speaking moderators to handle the cleanup. I'm certain that the thread will be reopened as soon as we get past the stage where the actual conversation is constantly undermined by an arm-twisting campaign orchestrated on third-party forums.

'Armour' in English is the same word used to describe ancient metal suits

Can many Russians pronounce the English versions of solar system names or ships, even if they do not know the meaning?



Yeah those are really long and awkward

They are also back-translated by Google. Not the best way to gauge the actual translation quality, isn't it?

I did see the posts made by CCP Shiny describing how CCP is weighing feedback from different player sources. But I need to form my opinion on what I see. So a discussion on that topic between me and you is probably pointless. :P

I think the Russian people telling you that the translations are pisspoor is a good gauge? It's pretty funny the GMs had to close a thread because they couldn't understand the language they were being insulted in but we're supposed to believe the in-game translations are good...

"Armor" should be "Armor," tbh.

And not "Protecting your ship from taking damage using metal plates and such." "Trade" should be "Trade" and not "Make money if smart, lose money if dumb."

imo

Well. He was criticising me for judging the quality of the English to Russian translation on a google translate from the Russian translation to English (i wasn't judging the quality but w/e). I assume actual human work was done on translating them to Russian originally. But when the skill names are clearly very long and Russian speakers are saying there's something wrong, there's likely something wrong.