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Its to big..NOOOOO!!!!
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Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#21 - 2013-09-20 16:53:22 UTC
Maybe you have internal shields around fusion reactors so that you don't have oopsie I accidentally a charon because one engineer screws up.

EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
Soelent
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-09-20 20:38:31 UTC
there are no engineers...

this isnt star trek.. this is real life!
Busta Rock
The DawnSoarers
#23 - 2013-09-20 21:30:02 UTC
even accounting for all those spacefaring accoutrements, the cargo space on the freighters is somewhat underwhelming. I actually wouldnt mind seeing a wider variety of specialized freighters much like how CCP dealt with the industrials. make several different hulls with different specialties, much like current oceangoing freighters - you dont use an oil tanker to haul automobiles or livestock.

that, or make a rule that anything freighters carry MUST be carried in freight containers - that would allow overall cargo capacities to be larger, while neatly avoiding any possibility of smuggling capitals into or thru highsec.
Psychoactive Stimulant
#24 - 2013-09-20 21:34:06 UTC
RPers... wrong thread, bud. Go whine about how we travel faster than light.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#25 - 2013-09-21 02:49:46 UTC
Ewersmen wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Decaff Harkonnen wrote:
Yea what's up with that? I have a 902,000m3 hold space at level 3 skill. You guys realize that a container ship can hold a little bit less than that and are nowhere near as big. You're looking at somewhere between 600 and 700 thousand m3 on a large container ship that sails in the ocean!!



Container ships travel in Oceans. A Charon travels in space. An Ocean and Space are slightly different environments.

The Saturn V was 110m long, 10m in diameter and massed 2.8 million kg, and carried a cargo of 45,000 kg. The useable space in the CM&LM was 12.7m^3


The Space Shuttle (which doesn't carry much fuel on board, so is more similar to the Freighter) has a cargo bay of 299m^3, of it's 51m length and 8.7m diameter.



By the way, when you're trying to astroturf, it helps to use alts that aren't in the same corp to try to bolster your idea.



^^^^wtf are u on about



What part tripped you up?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
To mare
Advanced Technology
#26 - 2013-09-21 02:57:55 UTC
just make the ship smaller Lol
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#27 - 2013-09-21 12:21:06 UTC
Fia Magrath wrote:
All of this got me thinking though.. are there jumbo sized pods for fat characters?

There is no such thing as fat capsuleer to begin with.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Elvis Preslie
NRDS Securities
#28 - 2013-09-21 14:42:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Elvis Preslie
RubyPorto wrote:
Decaff Harkonnen wrote:
Yea what's up with that? I have a 902,000m3 hold space at level 3 skill. You guys realize that a container ship can hold a little bit less than that and are nowhere near as big. You're looking at somewhere between 600 and 700 thousand m3 on a large container ship that sails in the ocean!!



Container ships travel in Oceans. A Charon travels in space. An Ocean and Space are slightly different environments.

The Saturn V was 110m long, 10m in diameter and massed 2.8 million kg, and carried a cargo of 45,000 kg. The useable space in the CM&LM was 12.7m^3


The Space Shuttle (which doesn't carry much fuel on board, so is more similar to the Freighter) has a cargo bay of 299m^3, of it's 51m length and 8.7m diameter.



By the way, when you're trying to astroturf, it helps to use alts that aren't in the same corp to try to bolster your idea.


no the cargo of atlas and discovery could only carry LESS than 1000 pounds. Either way, I do think the fenrir and other cargo ships should be 3x the size of the jf' counterparts, because they carry 3x as much

I think they already have plans for this though, when they redesign all of the stations. The stations should eventually have FEASIBLE undock and dock points, where the ships we are using could actually theoretically fit in and out of them.

The stations should eventually also be MUCH MUCH larger than they are now.

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There is no such thing as fat capsuleer to begin with.


then tell ccp to take away the "fat" slider in character creation.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#29 - 2013-09-21 18:22:41 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Elvis Preslie wrote:
no the cargo of atlas and discovery could only carry LESS than 1000 pounds.


The Cargo of the Saturn V was the CSM/LM, which it carried through TLI. It all depends on what you're counting as the destination, and I was going with the one that gave the OP's argument the best chance.

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Either way, I do think the fenrir and other cargo ships should be 3x the size of the jf' counterparts, because they carry 3x as much


There's some fluff about 2/3 of the cargo space of the normal freighter being packed up with the Jump Drive.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-09-21 19:57:47 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Elvis Preslie wrote:
no the cargo of atlas and discovery could only carry LESS than 1000 pounds.


The Cargo of the Saturn V was the CSM/LM, which it carried through TLI. It all depends on what you're counting as the destination, and I was going with the one that gave the OP's argument the best chance.

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Either way, I do think the fenrir and other cargo ships should be 3x the size of the jf' counterparts, because they carry 3x as much


There's some fluff about 2/3 of the cargo space of the normal freighter being packed up with the Jump Drive.


There is also a little bit of extra tank...
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-09-22 02:57:20 UTC
As per http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Container_ship
Container ships carry approx. 16,020 TEU.

And as per http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-foot_equivalent_unit
These containers carry approx. 38.5 m3.

16,020 x 38.5 m3 = 616,770 m3 capacity on the average container ship.
This is quite a bit less than a freighter in Eve.

Now, let's assume a container ship with max containers is double the capacity since I don't wanna do a bunch of math.
It would me 1,233,540 m3. However, since they have an atmosphere, they have the luxury of building a ship that is more of a platform than a container.

Now, the Charon is 16,250,000 m3.
However, we have to remember what I stated a second ago, which is that this ship is a container.
This means that just to support the amount of cargo a Charon can hold at lvl 5, this means the cargohold is already the size of the container ship all by itself.

Now, factor structure, armor, shield emission systems, electronics for targeting, navigation, blah blah blah, a warp core, engines, capacitor, crew, cabins, chow hall, recreation center, blah blah blah... The list goes on, but I'll throw out a little more math real quick.

There is approx 7850kg in one m3 of steel.
The Charon itself is 960,000,000kg.
This mean that just the structure of the ship (assuming everything is all steel, which it's not) is approx 122,293 m3 of pure steel.
This includes anything in the ship that has a weight, however, it doesn't factor the empty space to fit certain this such as the capacitor.

You have to remember these ships carry massive crews, so there's a lot of open m3 dedicated just to them.

The point is, you're way off in saying that container ships carry more m3 than a Eve freighter.
Way wrong.
Hell, the Charon at lvl 5 can carry the largest container ships..... Even if the container ship were fully loaded.
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