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Why are capitals banned in high sec?

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Josef Djugashvilis
#101 - 2013-09-21 07:01:44 UTC
Because super tough-guy ships belong in super tough-guy space.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#102 - 2013-09-23 00:34:29 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
You can't do missions with them because of gates and ship restrictions.

Not all missions use acceleration gates.

Infinity Ziona wrote:
Against subcaps they're worse then battleships in terms of DPS. Against subcaps they're very easy to kill.

Not sure where you got that impression. A sentry fit carrier can get better DPS than a Vindicator, with the tracking and range of, well, sentries.

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Kristina Rin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#103 - 2013-09-23 01:44:46 UTC
i think they will allow capital in highsec when player start conquer empire space in future game's expension.

2014 !!!
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#104 - 2013-09-23 01:47:37 UTC
Kristina Rin wrote:
i think they will allow capital in highsec when player start conquer empire space in future game's expension.

If that ever happens, it won't be highsec anymore.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#105 - 2013-09-23 01:58:26 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Kristina Rin wrote:
i think they will allow capital in highsec when player start conquer empire space in future game's expension.

If that ever happens, it won't be highsec anymore.

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Garandras
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#106 - 2013-09-23 03:30:03 UTC
I was gonig to read throguh the thread but then did a TL:DR

I always through the whole no Caps in High sec was a storyline thing.. as in the major Parties dont want cilvillians flying around in massive ships of war.

but then again i havent really read all of the storyline stuff.. (I'm sure its great and i would love it.. I'm just more focused on the player politics then the NPC)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#107 - 2013-09-23 05:43:48 UTC
Considering how bad NPC battleships are if they aren't sleepers, I bet people would be using Bastion Marauders to rat the empire titans or something if we could...

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#108 - 2013-09-23 06:17:57 UTC
Garandras wrote:
I was gonig to read throguh the thread but then did a TL:DR

I always through the whole no Caps in High sec was a storyline thing.. as in the major Parties dont want cilvillians flying around in massive ships of war.

but then again i havent really read all of the storyline stuff.. (I'm sure its great and i would love it.. I'm just more focused on the player politics then the NPC)

If you really think about it, a RIFTER is a massive ship of war.

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#109 - 2013-09-23 06:27:48 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
You can't do missions with them because of gates and ship restrictions.

Not all missions use acceleration gates.

Infinity Ziona wrote:
Against subcaps they're worse then battleships in terms of DPS. Against subcaps they're very easy to kill.

Not sure where you got that impression. A sentry fit carrier can get better DPS than a Vindicator, with the tracking and range of, well, sentries.

Almost every mission uses them. Ridiculous to argue they would be exploited to run missions.

As for carrier with 15 T2 gardes (highest dps sentry), it still falls a few hundred dps less than a T2 fitted blaster Vindi.

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#110 - 2013-09-23 06:49:58 UTC
You know, if they would just come out with a heavy battleship that could fit one dread weapon there would be no need for caps in highsec and everything would be better balanced.

Just sayin'...

Bear

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#111 - 2013-09-23 08:22:39 UTC
Gogela wrote:
You know, if they would just come out with a heavy battleship that could fit one dread weapon there would be no need for caps in highsec and everything would be better balanced.

Just sayin'...

Bear

Superbattleships would be cool. Not sure what CCP was thinking when they jumped from ships of around 200k EHP max to millions and then made them the equivalent of a siege catapult (structure bashing), WoW portal (titans) and a holy priest (carrier).

They skipped over the Yamato Bisimark class ships we could have used for shooting players and went with giant healing portal creating castle breach garbage.

Super battleships ftw

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KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#112 - 2013-09-23 08:53:31 UTC
Gogela wrote:
You know, if they would just come out with a heavy battleship that could fit one dread weapon there would be no need for caps in highsec and everything would be better balanced.

Just sayin'...

Bear


Hopefully the marauder changes will somewhat aproach this.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#113 - 2013-09-23 10:24:20 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Because super tough-guy ships belong in super tough-guy space.

nullbear ratting carriers

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#114 - 2013-09-23 10:47:37 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Gogela wrote:
You know, if they would just come out with a heavy battleship that could fit one dread weapon there would be no need for caps in highsec and everything would be better balanced.

Just sayin'...

Bear

Superbattleships would be cool. Not sure what CCP was thinking when they jumped from ships of around 200k EHP max to millions and then made them the equivalent of a siege catapult (structure bashing), WoW portal (titans) and a holy priest (carrier).

They skipped over the Yamato Bisimark class ships we could have used for shooting players and went with giant healing portal creating castle breach garbage.

Super battleships ftw


based on when they came out ... it's because (large) POS are so damn hard to take down with BS.

Sm and Med aren't terrible -- but you can break them with only a handful of pilots in BS (or tier3 BC ... uh ... "attack bc" now?) fielding meta guns and faction ammo.

It almost feels like the original idea was for towers to be split by "security region" -- i.e. hisec got smalls, lowsec got meds, and nullsec got larges ... but corps/alliances/solo players got too rich for that to really work out ...

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#115 - 2013-09-23 11:11:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Velicitia wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Gogela wrote:
You know, if they would just come out with a heavy battleship that could fit one dread weapon there would be no need for caps in highsec and everything would be better balanced.

Just sayin'...

Bear

Superbattleships would be cool. Not sure what CCP was thinking when they jumped from ships of around 200k EHP max to millions and then made them the equivalent of a siege catapult (structure bashing), WoW portal (titans) and a holy priest (carrier).

They skipped over the Yamato Bisimark class ships we could have used for shooting players and went with giant healing portal creating castle breach garbage.

Super battleships ftw


based on when they came out ... it's because (large) POS are so damn hard to take down with BS.

Sm and Med aren't terrible -- but you can break them with only a handful of pilots in BS (or tier3 BC ... uh ... "attack bc" now?) fielding meta guns and faction ammo.

It almost feels like the original idea was for towers to be split by "security region" -- i.e. hisec got smalls, lowsec got meds, and nullsec got larges ... but corps/alliances/solo players got too rich for that to really work out ...

Yeah i know but the whole procedure is boring as crap. Caps are boring. I have cap skills trained for years now and I don't think I'll ever get one. Maybe a carrier for transporting my ships, maybe but I'll probably use an orca instead.

There are literally infinite ways to make combat and conquest interesting and fun, programming is like writing stories you can pretty much dream up anything. Its like they got a team of economists together and chose the dullest most boring idea they came up with.

The incursion system would be more fun than the current system. They even seem to be happy with what they have or at least not that concerned its so crap.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

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Vorll Minaaran
Centre Of Attention
#116 - 2013-09-23 15:00:16 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
A capital ship is a ship that requires the capital ships skill.

Ships that require the capital ships skill:
Rorqual, Archon, Thanatos, Nidhoggur, Chimera, Revelation, Moros, Naglfar, Phoenix, Aeon, Nyx, Hel, Wyvern, Revenant, Avatar, Erebus, Ragnarok, and Leviathan.

Notice that this list incorporates every ship in the game that cannot use stargates, has too much mass to traverse wormholes into highsec, and cannot be built in highsec. Then it becomes much easier to just say "you cannot build capital ships in highsec, use stargates in a capital ship, or pass through a wormhole to highsec in a capital ship."


I like this definition, pretty much sum up what players consider capital ship.
But I think CCP's capital ships definition closer to the 'built from capital parts' approach.

Both has its pros and cons and as CCP changing market groups recently, would be good to get some dev post to this discussion. This clarification could a little thing to fix, maybe should put this to the 'Little things' topic.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#117 - 2013-09-23 15:06:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Except it would be extremely easy to gank them wouldn't it?
They're difficult enough to kill in lowsec, where you have as much time as you need to kill them…

…so no, “extremely easy to gank” is not how I would characterise something with several million EHP that you have to chew through in 20 seconds or less. There's a reason why the Veldnaught is still around, and it's not for lack of people trying to gank it.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#118 - 2013-09-23 20:38:16 UTC
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More importantly, CCP says exploitcapital. What you say is utterly and completely irrelevant.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#119 - 2013-09-23 20:53:03 UTC
UmbraIra wrote:
Concord Melts them just as fast as any other ship



I wanna see this footage of a Capital Combat Ship exploding at the hands of CONCORD.

NOW !!!!!!!!! Evil

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#120 - 2013-09-24 10:56:21 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
UmbraIra wrote:
Concord Melts them just as fast as any other ship



I wanna see this footage of a Capital Combat Ship exploding at the hands of CONCORD.

NOW !!!!!!!!! Evil

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVOrM0e-CVE

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