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1.1 Haulers and Ice products

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#21 - 2013-09-24 14:46:29 UTC
brinelan wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Jaques Perinard wrote:

Look again at the Kyros for your mineral hold.



Yeah. It's just crazy trying to keep up with all the changes. Especially when they are not even reflected in the Evelopedia for convenience.


You know, anyone can edit a wiki right?



Feel free. Otherwise, what's your point ?

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Zaxix
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-09-24 17:41:04 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Anything that can store nuclear waste can probably handle anything, period. The refrigerated container probably doesn't care what goes in it.

Taking things too far in this direction, which I feel CCP has already done, would mean that yes, I do need a special protective hold for my Enriched Uranium specifically.

It's funny you should mention this. http://world-nuclear.org/info/Nuclear-Fuel-Cycle/Transport/Transport-of-Radioactive-Materials/

In fact there are many, very specialized hauling devices for nuclear waste and, no, they can't handle just anything (note size and shape) and, no, they can't be hauled by just anything.

Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Feel free. Otherwise, what's your point ?

I think his point was that you're lazy. That's just a guess though. (BTW, I bear you no ill will. You have many good posts. Just a cheeky reply.)

Bokononist

 

Felicity Love
Doomheim
#23 - 2013-09-24 18:22:14 UTC
.... waits for the "Frozen Corpse" specialty hauler... that would be the "Cadaver" class transport with the "Limited Edition" skin of burnt wreckage and skeletons -- available from the NeX store, ofc. Blink

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#24 - 2013-09-24 18:25:55 UTC
Zaxix wrote:

It's funny you should mention this. http://world-nuclear.org/info/Nuclear-Fuel-Cycle/Transport/Transport-of-Radioactive-Materials/

In fact there are many, very specialized hauling devices for nuclear waste and, no, they can't handle just anything (note size and shape) and, no, they can't be hauled by just anything.



I was using as example only. But since the Interwebs are a haven of nit-picking geek nonsense, I guess I should have said:

"Most ordinary cargo containers and shipping holds can take just about anything and it is the rare product that needs any kind of specialty mechanics.......for most people, for most ordinary purposes."

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2013-09-24 18:43:58 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
.... waits for the "Frozen Corpse" specialty hauler... that would be the "Cadaver" class transport with the "Limited Edition" skin of burnt wreckage and skeletons -- available from the NeX store, ofc. Blink



I would buy one :) Heck several for my lovely corpse collection.

after all.. you know what they say.. rigor mortis IS a girls best friend
Zaxix
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-09-24 19:03:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Zaxix
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I was using as example only. But since the Interwebs are a haven of nit-picking geek nonsense, I guess I should have said:

"Most ordinary cargo containers and shipping holds can take just about anything and it is the rare product that needs any kind of specialty mechanics.......for most people, for most ordinary purposes."

There had to be a moment, as you hit Post, that you knew you should have visited Wikipedia...

Commerical Transport:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_ship
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Container_ship w/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermodal_container
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulk_carrier
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roll-on_roll-off_ship
http://twistedsifter.com/2012/04/blue-marlin-giant-ship-that-ships-other-ships/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_bulk_container
etc, etc, etc

You're probably thinking of container ships, but even then they are highly specialized and, more relevant to this discussion, the actual intermodal containers are highly specialized. Container ships are quite varied and, unlike EVE, they require special ports for offloading their cargo.

Bulk carriers are almost always dedicated to one particular product (e.g., oil) or family of products (e.g., bulk grain transport). As for your previous comment about refrigerated (and frozen) transport, there are many products that would not respond well (try moving a case of Coke in a freezer or livestock in a sealed, airless refrigeration unit). Add to that transport of "valuables" and you enter into a whole other realm of specialized transport.

TL;DR -- MOST transport is specialized, either for the products it moves, for the manner of transport, for the area of transport, for the volume of transport, or the safety issues associated with transport or the product.

Bokononist

 

Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#27 - 2013-09-25 14:23:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Bugsy VanHalen
When I think of T1 indys I don't compare them to cargo ships, I compare them to trucks.

In the real world, at least in North America most goods are moved by trucks. Sure there are the normal cargo trailers that can hold general goods, some are even refrigerated, but there are also special trailers for hauling milk, liquid fuels, or compressed gases. then there are other trailers made special to haul bulk granular material like gravel, or bauxite. Different trailers again for hauling scrap metal, and livestock. There are many many trailers for hauling many different types of materials. We have general purpose haulers, and specialized haulers, just like we do in EVE.

Ships would be more like freighters for me, bigger slower, are restricted where they can safely go. But even large ships are some what specialized, there are cargo ships for general goods, oil tankers for oil, special ships for moving grain and produce, and even specific ships for moving livestock.

My point is, these changes do reflect well with what we see in the real world, and what I would expect to see in the distant future when mankind does expand into the stars. It was not that many years ago when airplanes and submarines were nothing but science fiction. Yet those science fiction stories were not far off from what is now reality. EVE is real, in that 1000 years from now it will be stunning how many similarities this science fiction will have with what will then be reality.

The Wright brothers made their first flight in 1903. In 1969, only 66 years later, we walked on the moon. 50 years later we have built a space station, and sent rovers to mars. What will the next 50 years bring? What amazing things are to come, even within our lifetime? There are people alive today that can remember when you had to be rich to trade your horse and buggy in for a automobile. Now everyone has a car, most families have several. Will we be telling our grandchildren about how when we were young, you had to be an Astronaut to go into space.

Yes EVE is real, However space combat is much further away than things like asteroid mining.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#28 - 2013-09-25 14:38:19 UTC
Zaxix wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I was using as example only. But since the Interwebs are a haven of nit-picking geek nonsense, I guess I should have said:

"Most ordinary cargo containers and shipping holds can take just about anything and it is the rare product that needs any kind of specialty mechanics.......for most people, for most ordinary purposes."


There had to be a moment, as you hit Post, that you knew you should have visited Wikipedia...




Nope.

I'm not this anal-retentive about things at all.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Zaxix
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-09-25 14:49:01 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Zaxix wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I was using as example only. But since the Interwebs are a haven of nit-picking geek nonsense, I guess I should have said:

"Most ordinary cargo containers and shipping holds can take just about anything and it is the rare product that needs any kind of specialty mechanics.......for most people, for most ordinary purposes."


There had to be a moment, as you hit Post, that you knew you should have visited Wikipedia...

Nope.

I'm not this anal-retentive about things at all.

Interestingly, no comment on being totally, utterly wrong.

Bokononist

 

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#30 - 2013-09-25 14:53:54 UTC
Zaxix wrote:

Interestingly, no comment on being totally, utterly wrong.



And totally not caring at all how you feel about things, much less myself. At all.

Grow up.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Vexed Nova
NovaTech Holdings
#31 - 2013-09-25 20:05:15 UTC
All we need is a sniper rifle and an Archduke Ferdinand analog and we can have a World War over containers. We have warred for less. Just saying.

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Warcalibre
NovaTech Holdings
#32 - 2013-09-25 20:08:49 UTC
John 3:16
Ginger Barbarella
#33 - 2013-09-27 22:58:43 UTC
Warcalibre wrote:
John 3:16


Fred 12:38.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

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