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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2013-09-18 23:32:44 UTC
Steel Olgidar wrote:
The new order is just another way to milk carebears for their isk. No respect for any of that rabble. Veiling your extortion through "teaching miners to play eve" is BS. Miners play eve their way, you and your crew play yours and everyone else gives zero ****'s about either of you unless you show up red on our overviews.


If it was extortion, why would they ask for only ten million ISK a year when an Exhumer costs hundreds of millions?

BenDover wrote:
Quote:
The new order is just another way to milk carebears for their isk.


Take your religious schizophrenic bullshit elsewhere. It's bad enough that we have to deal with it in local.


Oh dear
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#22 - 2013-09-18 23:36:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
Benny Ohu wrote:
If it was extortion, why would they ask for only ten million ISK a year when an Exhumer costs hundreds of millions?

Because, if you'd ask 1$ from every household in the US would still make you a multi millionaire? Blink It still would be extortion though... and therefore illegal.

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2013-09-18 23:38:27 UTC
ten million is less than a hundred million, please keep up
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#24 - 2013-09-18 23:42:04 UTC
There really isn't much difference for the casual miner. It only adds up over hundreds or thousands of hrs. Exceptiopn being hulk and the T1 because they didn't get any role bonus.

The Macki role bonus as well as a Skiff role bonus makes their cycles shorter to such a point they match the other class of ships if role bonus didn't count for that ship. In different terms, A skiff is like mining in an unbonused Mackinaw. A Mackinaw is like mining in an unbonused Hulk.

I use skiff when I want to mine but know I shouldn't. They do have 100K EHP tanks. I mine with a Mackinaw when I think it's safe enough. I always have a DCU on and I always tank them. I refuse to use a hulk because they crippled it too much in the hold. 3 lasers x 3 cycles on Ice is 9K. They gave it? 8K. And they did it on purpose.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#25 - 2013-09-18 23:42:14 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
ten million is less than a hundred million, please keep up

Whatever, 1 ISK is to much for mindless tools like those NO people... vOv

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Steel Olgidar
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-09-18 23:42:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Steel Olgidar
Extortion is the act of threatening someone for something they have. Give us 10 mil or get ganked sure seems like extortion to me. The cost is more or less irrelevant.

I could fly about telling people to buy permits for space camping, blow em up when they don't and claim I'm "helping" them. If they buy a permit I can link a bookmarked location and then they can camp ( sit in space doing nothing) safely wherever I am.

Yeah New Order you do sound that dumb, and I feel bad for all those miners who gave you isk. I'd rather lose any mining ship than kowtow to some low brow self-proclaimed leader....

There are only three things worth nothing in Eve; ISK; Skill Points and Getting Blown up. Once you learn this, the universe truly sets you free.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#27 - 2013-09-19 00:06:12 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Drake Bonding wrote:
I'm gonna make this easy. Ive seen a "perfected" hulk but idk what the others do at their max. I only account for ore but feel free to include information about ice or gas. Max means all necessary skills at 5, utilizing mining drones (specify harvesters/T2 mining), and utilizing modulated strip miners w/ crystals. I also want informations about both orca and rorqual in the most efficient boosting setups (necessary skills maxxed as well).

Example Template:

Ship:
EHP:
-Ore Mining-
m3/cycle (alone):
m3/cycle (orca):
m3/cycle (rorqual):
m3/hour (alone):
m3/hour (orca):
m3/hour (rorqual):
-Ice Mining-
.....
.....


Alrighty thx guys.


Ship:
EHP:
-Ore Mining-
m3/cycle (alone): One Dolla
m3/cycle (non-orca fleet): Two Dolla
m3/cycle (orca): Three Dolla
m3/cycle (rorqual): Mo
m3/hour (alone): Fo Dolla
m3/hour (non-orca fleet): Five Dolla
m3/hour (orca): Six Dolla
m3/hour (rorqual): Score!


Steel Olgidar wrote:
Extortion is the act of threatening someone for something they have. Give us 10 mil or get ganked sure seems like extortion to me. The cost is more or less irrelevant.


What's wrong with racketeering?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Steel Olgidar
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-09-19 00:11:44 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:

What's wrong with racketeering?



Absolutely nothing, clothing it as some higher form of playing or a service just leaves a dirty taste in my mouth. If ganking and extortion is your style then by all means, go forth and racket your way to the top. Just don't tell me you're doing me any favors.

There are only three things worth nothing in Eve; ISK; Skill Points and Getting Blown up. Once you learn this, the universe truly sets you free.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#29 - 2013-09-19 00:13:12 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Steel Olgidar wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:

What's wrong with racketeering?



Absolutely nothing, clothing it as some higher form of playing or a service just leaves a dirty taste in my mouth. If ganking and extortion is your style then by all means, go forth and racket your way to the top. Just don't tell me you're doing me any favors.


So you're ok with Extortion, but not ok with roleplaying. Gotcha.

Seems like an odd place to draw the line.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Mac Munoz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-09-19 00:17:54 UTC
Steel Olgidar wrote:
Extortion is the act of threatening someone for something they have. Give us 10 mil or get ganked sure seems like extortion to me. The cost is more or less irrelevant.

I could fly about telling people to buy permits for space camping, blow em up when they don't and claim I'm "helping" them. If they buy a permit I can link a bookmarked location and then they can camp ( sit in space doing nothing) safely wherever I am.

Yeah New Order you do sound that dumb, and I feel bad for all those miners who gave you isk. I'd rather lose any mining ship than kowtow to some low brow self-proclaimed leader....


The cost associated with a permit, IMO, is to protect against petitions. If you didn't charge people IMO it could be ruled as griefing, however charging then makes it a valid way to earn a living by means of extortion.

That all said I support the New Order as you can clearly see in my bio so take my opinion for what it's worth. At the end of the day it just adds awesomeness to the virtual world we all love.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#31 - 2013-09-19 00:18:06 UTC
Steel Olgidar wrote:
Extortion is the act of threatening someone for something they have. Give us 10 mil or get ganked sure seems like extortion to me. The cost is more or less irrelevant.


This is also based on the assumption that they won't just gank you anyway. Scam is probably a more apt description than extortion.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2013-09-19 00:23:51 UTC
Steel Olgidar wrote:
Extortion is the act of threatening someone for something they have. Give us 10 mil or get ganked sure seems like extortion to me. The cost is more or less irrelevant.

I could fly about telling people to buy permits for space camping, blow em up when they don't and claim I'm "helping" them. If they buy a permit I can link a bookmarked location and then they can camp ( sit in space doing nothing) safely wherever I am.

Yeah New Order you do sound that dumb, and I feel bad for all those miners who gave you isk. I'd rather lose any mining ship than kowtow to some low brow self-proclaimed leader....

The New Order doesn't ask for your ISK. The New Order asks for your compliance, which includes the ISK payment. When all you see in the Code is a loss of ISK, I grieve for you. The Code is so much more, and the removal of ISK from your wallet isn't a loss of any kind. Instead, it is the New Order's gain! You're not submitting to the will of 'some self-proclaimed leader', you will comply with the Code of Halaima and the vision of the elected Supreme Protector of Highsec.
Steel Olgidar
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-09-19 00:24:56 UTC
Fair enough, and I do role play a lot. To be fair I just don't like the attitude I've seen of New Order folk both in and out of game. No one has charged me for a permit either and I mine away quite peacefully. When I mine.

I mean the whole mining permit would make sense in say a controlled .1-.4 sec system, but trying to take hi-sec by whatever we all feel it is just seems silly. Almost wants to make me lead a mining revolt and teach the miners how to hunt down folk.........Twisted

There are only three things worth nothing in Eve; ISK; Skill Points and Getting Blown up. Once you learn this, the universe truly sets you free.
BenDover
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-09-19 00:36:17 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Eterne
Benny Ohu wrote:
Steel Olgidar wrote:
Extortion is the act of threatening someone for something they have. Give us 10 mil or get ganked sure seems like extortion to me. The cost is more or less irrelevant.

I could fly about telling people to buy permits for space camping, blow em up when they don't and claim I'm "helping" them. If they buy a permit I can link a bookmarked location and then they can camp ( sit in space doing nothing) safely wherever I am.

Yeah New Order you do sound that dumb, and I feel bad for all those miners who gave you isk. I'd rather lose any mining ship than kowtow to some low brow self-proclaimed leader....

The New Order doesn't ask for your ISK. The New Order asks for your compliance, which includes the ISK payment. When all you see in the Code is a loss of ISK, I grieve for you. The Code is so much more, and the removal of ISK from your wallet isn't a loss of any kind. Instead, it is the New Order's gain! You're not submitting to the will of 'some self-proclaimed leader', you will comply with the Code of Halaima and the vision of the elected Supreme Protector of Highsec.


It is precisely that word, compliance, that bothers me.

I'm not ******** bricks for losing money to the permit. 10 mil ISK is pennies.

*please fully censor profanity* - CCP Eterne
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#35 - 2013-09-19 00:40:20 UTC
Mac Munoz wrote:
The cost associated with a permit, IMO, is to protect against petitions. If you didn't charge people IMO it could be ruled as griefing


Find where "griefing" is prohibited in the EULA or TOS.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#36 - 2013-09-19 00:46:22 UTC
Steel Olgidar wrote:
Extortion is the act of threatening someone for something they have. Give us 10 mil or get ganked sure seems like extortion to me. The cost is more or less irrelevant.

I could fly about telling people to buy permits for space camping, blow em up when they don't and claim I'm "helping" them. If they buy a permit I can link a bookmarked location and then they can camp ( sit in space doing nothing) safely wherever I am.

Yeah New Order you do sound that dumb, and I feel bad for all those miners who gave you isk. I'd rather lose any mining ship than kowtow to some low brow self-proclaimed leader....


I love the self righteous attitude here. Proving my point that some have "game morals" that apply to not only themselves, but they expect everyone else to play by their "in game morals" and if they do not then they are dumb or low brow. lol.

Who made you the in game moral police? Who said your way was the only moral way to play and if people didn't play by your morals then they must be called names. This is a game. A game that was designed to be harsh and designed to allow players to gank, extort, ransom, rob their own corps/alliances, etc etc. If someone chooses to play within the framework of the game who are you to call them names because you don't like their game style?

I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!  Now... where's Ken?
Steel Olgidar
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2013-09-19 00:54:20 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Steel Olgidar wrote:
Extortion is the act of threatening someone for something they have. Give us 10 mil or get ganked sure seems like extortion to me. The cost is more or less irrelevant.

I could fly about telling people to buy permits for space camping, blow em up when they don't and claim I'm "helping" them. If they buy a permit I can link a bookmarked location and then they can camp ( sit in space doing nothing) safely wherever I am.

Yeah New Order you do sound that dumb, and I feel bad for all those miners who gave you isk. I'd rather lose any mining ship than kowtow to some low brow self-proclaimed leader....

The New Order doesn't ask for your ISK. The New Order asks for your compliance, which includes the ISK payment. When all you see in the Code is a loss of ISK, I grieve for you. The Code is so much more, and the removal of ISK from your wallet isn't a loss of any kind. Instead, it is the New Order's gain! You're not submitting to the will of 'some self-proclaimed leader', you will comply with the Code of Halaima and the vision of the elected Supreme Protector of Highsec.


Man I read your code of Halaima, visited your leaders website and still, I am underwhelmed. I will not comply to any who would have me do other than my will in space. If I don't want your permit or your silly code cluttering up my systems I have that right. Just like I have the right to fly around shooting at you or ninja looting. The sky is quite literally the limit.

I just hoped for something less windy, more subtle. The attention seeking is lame unless you're trying to recruit. If the new order really wants to make eve a better place why are they only concerned with mining? I mean there are so many other fun things to quibble over.


Also OP, why the care for potential? If you get the point where you have the option to fly all of these ships, why not just fly the one you like? I use Procurers since they tank awesome like and ventures for sticky situation stuff. Both cost me less than a silly permit to mine free stuff in free space. In a venture I can pull 5000m³ in 12 minutes(still not even max potential) which roughly works out to 60,000m³ of whatever I feel like scarfing an hour.

There are only three things worth nothing in Eve; ISK; Skill Points and Getting Blown up. Once you learn this, the universe truly sets you free.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#38 - 2013-09-19 00:55:38 UTC
BoSau Hotim wrote:
Who made you the in game moral police?


Whoever sold you a catalyst?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Steel Olgidar
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2013-09-19 00:58:18 UTC
I wouldn't say low brow and dumb equate to name calling. Also I am not forcing my views on anyone nor asking them to comply. I am simply voicing my opinions about it. Reality check folks, it is a game and I don't care what you do.
What I do care about is being able to have my own thoughts and voice them, while listening to and respecting every ones right to do the same exact thing. I'm no dictator or moral police officer.

I just find the whole idea amusing and somewhat poorly executed. It is part of the entertainment and nothing more.

There are only three things worth nothing in Eve; ISK; Skill Points and Getting Blown up. Once you learn this, the universe truly sets you free.
BenDover
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-09-19 01:01:49 UTC
BoSau Hotim wrote:
This is a game. A game that was designed to be harsh and designed to allow players to gank, extort, ransom, rob their own corps/alliances, etc etc.


Quote:
If someone chooses to play within the framework of the game who are you to call them names because you don't like their game style?


You are doing a wonderful job at contradicting yourself. Keep at it.