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Player morality in EVE online. Why did you leave it at the door?

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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#961 - 2011-12-09 13:02:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Crumplecorn
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Similarly, MMO's in general provide an exquisite insight into the human Psyche. If people like you can't grasp this simple concept, then it is because you are inept... it is not because it's not factual.
And here's the insight - to some people, it is just a game.

If you want a more interesting insight, you should look at those who get so attached to some database entries in a server in London, that they become obsessed with vilifying those who take them away.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#962 - 2011-12-09 13:15:23 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Similarly, MMO's in general provide an exquisite insight into the human Psyche. If people like you can't grasp this simple concept, then it is because you are inept... it is not because it's not factual.
And here's the insight - to some people, it is just a game.

If you want a more interesting insight, you should look at those who get so attached to some database entries in a server in London, that they become obsessed with vilifying those who take them away.



Sorry, you can't avoid it anymore then you can avoid or function without your own subconscious. Even if it is "just a game" latent tendencies will always surface in the sandbox. Period.


But do try again.

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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#963 - 2011-12-09 13:18:41 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Sorry, you can't avoid it anymore then you can avoid or function without your own subconscious. Even if it is "just a game" latent tendencies will always surface in the sandbox. Period.
"If I say it, it means it's true".

Hmm, no.

Try again.

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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#964 - 2011-12-09 13:23:09 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Halcyon Ingenium wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:


Please, prove away.

Still does not hide the fact that greifers and bullies are incapable of admitting it.

Waiting for your proof.



I actually was going to post a whole bunch of links for you a while back. But then I remembered I don't give a damn for what you believe. Your adolescent and unmanly whining reflects poorly only on you, and is entirely your problem. I will however leave you with this one quote, which I'm sure you'll dismiss as being invalid somehow, or use the brevity of my reply for some witty remark concerning people that hurt your precious snowflake feelings. Whatever, I'm not here to do research for you; I am however just magnanimous enough to leave you with this one quote, which was spoken in a news conference following the release of a study on youth violence following the Columbine shootings.

Surgeon General David Satcher wrote:
We clearly associate media violence to aggressive behavior. But the impact was very small compared to other things. Some may not be happy with that, but that's where the science is.




Just throw him this: http://www.theesa.com/facts/violence.asp


I'm not that magnanimous.

By the way, since we're already talking, do you want to buy a rifter? I've got the cheapest rifters in Metropolis. If you can find a cheaper rifter, buy it!
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#965 - 2011-12-09 13:25:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Crumplecorn wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Sorry, you can't avoid it anymore then you can avoid or function without your own subconscious. Even if it is "just a game" latent tendencies will always surface in the sandbox. Period.
"If I say it, it means it's true".

Hmm, no.

Try again.



That's not a valid retort, and if you bothered to do more reading outside of this forum you will see that it is indeed true, and it has nothing to do with whether or not I say so.


You failed. Next time try to be more original and you might have more success.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#966 - 2011-12-09 13:29:51 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Call's Eternum a mental poopy head



One of the most interesting things about forum wars, is how a person can criticize and reticule someone else without every addressing the true content of their post. Now, although this should generally broadcast to the world said person's stupidity, in a world of socially challenged forum trolls it creates a facade that allows them to save face in the eyes of their dimwitted peers.

You just did that.
Oh I'm sorry, I simply followed your posting style of criticism and personal jibes.

I addressed the matter of Eyjolfur Gudmundsson. Are you now saying you wanted me to take seriously, the fact you alluded to Eve being a psychological experiment? I have no doubt information of all sorts can be gleaned from mmo's. But does this mean a broad stroke generalized label, should be applied to all that don't fit your criteria of good gaming?

Also, I don't remember involving a small handbag in my posts, but if you say so. What? Must be that mental thing you mentioned.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#967 - 2011-12-09 13:37:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
The post above this one is now attempting to put words into my mouth, in order to simulate a stance of higher rightness in this debate. I will not say the things that you have said, nor do I wish to.


I only desire to state what I have stated, and I do not condone what you incorrectly inferred through (what I can only assume is) your own limited reading comprehension and closed minded lack of imagination. If you believe those things too be true then you should state them, for I did not.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#968 - 2011-12-09 13:44:23 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
The post above this one is now attempting to put words into my mouth, in order to simulate a stance of higher rightness in this debate.
What words would they be?

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#969 - 2011-12-09 13:53:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Quote:
But does this mean a broad stroke generalized label, should be applied to all that don't fit your criteria of good gaming?


This came from you not me.
I never said such a thing should happen, but you posted it as if this is what you (and by suggestion others) inferred in my posts. It is a basic and rather transparent debate tactic.


Clear enough?

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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#970 - 2011-12-09 13:56:24 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
That's not a valid retort, and if you bothered to do more reading outside of this forum you will see that it is indeed true, and it has nothing to do with whether or not I say so.
"No really, it's right, 'people' say so."

I'm sorry, blind assertion carries no weight with me.

Fact is, some people see this just as Unreal Tournament in space. If in doubt, ask anyone who bought a high-SP character and some ships to skip past most of the game straight to the shooty shooty part.

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Mrs Sooperdudespaceman
Doomheim
#971 - 2011-12-09 13:58:12 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Even if it is "just a game" latent tendencies will always surface in the sandbox. Period.

This explains why people claim to be being griefed when, in fact, no griefing was carried out or intended.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#972 - 2011-12-09 14:00:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Crumplecorn wrote:
I'm sorry, blind assertion carries no weight with me.


This is not a valid retort either, because if your ignorant of the facts through lack of (or unwillingness to) pick up a book... then you are the only one who is blind. Who cares what weight it carries with you?


The rest of us who are more educated in such things will simply look at you and laugh.



Mrs Sooperdudespaceman wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Even if it is "just a game" latent tendencies will always surface in the sandbox. Period.

This explains why people claim to be being griefed when, in fact, no griefing was carried out or intended.


Actually yes. Everyone assumes the physiology of EVE will only paint "fun" as evil deeds, but this is just narrow minded drivel. The things that make people cry about lost ships, whine on the forums and behave in a sedated manner in game, can also yield a great deal of information regarding a persons deepest nature.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#973 - 2011-12-09 14:02:21 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Quote:
But does this mean a broad stroke generalized label, should be applied to all that don't fit your criteria of good gaming?


This came from you not me.
I never said such a thing should happen, but you posted it as if this is what you (and by suggestion others) inferred in my posts. It is a basic and rather transparent debate tactic.


Clear enough?
That's what's known as a question, the '?' is a dead give away. I asked because you interjected in a discussion regarding that. Seems clear enough to me, thanks.

Now then, what about this handbag you mentioned?

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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#974 - 2011-12-09 14:04:29 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Another post with zero to back it up
So far you have offered nothing more than "I am right and you are wrong".

This is actually worse than average carebear posting.

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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#975 - 2011-12-09 14:05:25 UTC
Mrs Sooperdudespaceman wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Even if it is "just a game" latent tendencies will always surface in the sandbox. Period.

This explains why people claim to be being griefed when, in fact, no griefing was carried out or intended.


SSSHHH! This is the part where they start to make out! Don't ruin it!

By the way, since we're already talking, do you want to buy a rifter? I've got the cheapest rifters in Metropolis. If you can find a cheaper rifter, buy it!
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#976 - 2011-12-09 14:06:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Mag's wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Quote:
But does this mean a broad stroke generalized label, should be applied to all that don't fit your criteria of good gaming?


This came from you not me.
I never said such a thing should happen, but you posted it as if this is what you (and by suggestion others) inferred in my posts. It is a basic and rather transparent debate tactic.


Clear enough?
That's what's known as a question, the '?' is a dead give away. I asked because you interjected in a discussion regarding that. Seems clear enough to me, thanks.

Now then, what about this handbag you mentioned?



It is not merely a question, it is a basic debate technique. You pose a question in a certain way in order to infer things that cannot be true. Most of the time this question has nothing to do with what your opponent actually stated, it is only masked in such a way so it is made to look as though he had. A ? at the end does not change the fact that it is 100% your statement and has nothing to do with my stance nor my opinion.

So if it clear enough for you...
Then I should inform you that your judgement is clouded and you should attempt to reassess yourself.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#977 - 2011-12-09 14:10:12 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
It is not merely a question, it is a basic debate technique. You pose a question in a certain way in order to infer things that cannot be true. Most of the time this question has nothing to do with what your opponent actually stated, it is only masked in such a way so it is made to look as though he had. A ? at the end does not change the fact that it is 100% your statement and has nothing to do with my stance nor my opinion.

So if it clear enough to you...
I should inform you that your judgement is clouded, and you should reassess yourself.
You don't wish to answer, it's clear enough. But if you jump into a discussion, you should at least try to keep up.

What about the handbag?

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ThatOleSerpent
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#978 - 2011-12-09 14:14:10 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Call's Eternum a mental poopy head



One of the most interesting things about forum wars, is how a person can criticize and reticule someone else without every addressing the true content of their post. Now, although this should generally broadcast to the world said person's stupidity, in a world of socially challenged forum trolls it creates a facade that allows them to save face in the eyes of their dimwitted peers.

You just did that.



ThatOleSerpent wrote:
i guarantee you people laughed when they read that, that is why I wrote it. I am not running for president di.ck.he.ad I am simply trolling on a forum, and I am formally educated and certainly not stupid. so quit being a fussy vagina and get over yourself . PUKE


I did not. That is just you making the most classic of mistakes, you assume that the others see things the way that you do by default and naturally you are mistaken in this assumption. In addition, a formal education does not guarantee intelligence anymore then it guarantees a person a high paying job in this current world economy.

One might also question why you need to come onto a gaming forum and troll in order to express yourself? It suggests a host of personal issues and perhaps discontentment with the way you are treated by others in your life. Every action is reaction, and something in your life has lead you here. You could be helpful or indifferent , just as easy as you could be disagreeable or down right mean. You chose to troll and talk about homos, retards and Vaginas... thus, we know everything we need to know about you through your own admission. As much as you would like to think it, you are not a mystery.


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The counter troll extraordinaire, wiki warrior masterpiece of the human imagination.





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Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#979 - 2011-12-09 14:15:02 UTC
Mag's wrote:


Now then, what about this handbag you mentioned?


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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#980 - 2011-12-09 14:17:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Mag's wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
It is not merely a question, it is a basic debate technique. You pose a question in a certain way in order to infer things that cannot be true. Most of the time this question has nothing to do with what your opponent actually stated, it is only masked in such a way so it is made to look as though he had. A ? at the end does not change the fact that it is 100% your statement and has nothing to do with my stance nor my opinion.

So if it clear enough to you...
I should inform you that your judgement is clouded, and you should reassess yourself.
You don't wish to answer, it's clear enough. But if you jump into a discussion, you should at least try to keep up.

What about the handbag?



Pathetic.
Not even close to pulling your fail trolling out of the gutter.


You stated it, you thought it up and I did not. I have nothing to say about your close minded idea born of an extremely narrow view and small mind. Why don't you tell me what you meant instead, then perhaps I may have something to say about it.

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