EVE General Discussion

That comparison is not dead. It is simply deviod of moral judgement.

Nothing to see here.

Again nothing to see here.

Whether true or not does not make it relevant

Yes SA does ban trolls who do not contribute to the community. How is that relevant to the perceived lack of morality in the Internet spaceship MMO known as Eve Online?
Killing other people's spaceships in a the spaceship MMO Eve Online, is playing the game. The reasons for, the methods used, the perceived gains are abstract un-measurables.

It's safe to say that people with mental health problems and personality disorders play on line games.

If people who play an internet spaceship game rage in real life because someone blew up their pixels on a server in London they probably have mental health problems.

If people are playing an internet spaceship game because they think that they are causing another person real life distress by destroying some pixels on a server in London they probably have a personality disorder.

Thank god all the normal people who are able to tell the difference between an internet spaceship game and reality are having a blast playing Eve.

It's exactly the same. One person (team) is happy and the other person (team) is not happy. That is the nature of winning and losing. It's not the team who scored the goals fault if the other team become more than unhappy and storm off the pitch, get on the coach and descend into a pit of depression riddled with feelings of persecution.

That they do ! And that is why they mostly live in high-sec, for fear of getting angry should their internet spaceship, in which they have invested time in any form whatsoever, get blown up in an ingame event that has no ingame goal, but an outgame one: getting their buttons pushed and rage at someone who has gone out of his way to use every cheese or borderline exploit just to humiliate them, make them feel dumb and disempowered IRL.

This actually serves CCP, a single server structure can handle only so many people, so low retention rate is a necessary tool for the game's evolution. Also, all mechanics condone a sociopathic attitude: you cannot identify all the ingame assets of a particular player, there is no form of accountability at all, no lasting consequences, since alts are unrelated.
This however requires the upkeep of several accounts -and forces players who want to leave highsec to "get a scout"-.

- Is EvE Pay-to-Win ?
- When technology skyrockets, will CCP expand high-sec to accommodate the potential playerbase ? will they shard the server ?




You know, emotional ingame responses are kinda pretty rare, since actual RPers are not a large community. Most people just want to play make believe internet spaceships, build stuff and pit it against others, but in order for it all to stay internet spaceships, there has to be some kind of unspoken contract : everyone wants the game to be a game, not a chore, not a bore, and not a depiction of RL nor a tool to compensate whatever aggressive emotional shortcomings one may have

So, when some tryhard, hidden by internet anonymity and multiple EvE accounts unaccountability, gets a kick out of being a cheesy griefbear, far too clever to play make believe internet spaceship (because lol ! internet spaceships) but eager to make people angry, hoping that his latest gankee or scammee is teary-eyed, red with rage, and one click away from unsubscribing, with reason people say that those griefbears are a problem. They're a bore to play with, why should the large majority of players suffer them ?

It's people who've stayed in highsec all the time, never really lost anything but a few t1 frigs in low and think they're safe that cry "griefer" because they put all the proverbial eggs into the proverbial basket by flying the ridiculously overpriced pinatas. They aren't used to losing anything and if you suggest otherwise they'll scream, "you just want to force your playstyle on me! That's MMO-****!"

Let me give you an example: a couple years ago I went out with some corpies to do lvl 4s. One of them had been laid off that day, but he was in pretty good spirits, laughing and joking the whole time about how he'd have to pull unemployment to keep playing EVE. He had an apoc that could permatank rats till Doomsday (the Biblical event, not the Titan weapon) and wasn't that bad on DPS either. The rest of us were in various PVE-fit BS's/BCs with a dessie pulling salvage duty.

Naturally that many ships in a single deadspace pocket is going to attract attention. Sure enough a hyperion warped in and looted one of our wrecks. We out numbered him and figured we had a good chance, so we opened up. In came the RR domies (this was before you even got flagged for neutral repping) and things quickly went FUBAR.

The apoc got killed, probably targeted first just because they could see him tanking the whole room and the guy starts raging on vent about it, all upset that his big, shiny mission boat was so much space dust, moaning about how far back he'd been set by a single careless decision in a video game.

However, what happened next I remember to this day. In the middle of the QQ he stopped, and in a single epiphatic moment said, OH MY GOD, I'M MORE UPSET ABOUT LOSING MY SHIP THAN LOSING MY JOB. Then he laughed. And we laughed. And somewhere, the ninjas were already laughing.

Nobody rage-quit the game, filed a petition with CCP or QQ'd on the forums about it. We just accepted that something happened in a video game and we all moved on. We didn't harbor any deepset hatred towards the people who did it, because truthfully, we would would have done it ourselves just for kicks.

Ha, but you see, this game, as all games, is designed to have ingame accomplishments, because it's, well, a game, and not RL. These accomplishments can be getting rich and/or becoming a stellar menace. Yet when people care more about other persons' emorage than those ingame goals, the focus switches from becoming a stellar menace to enjoying being an online troll, and not contributing to the game -because ingame accomplishments mean little to them-.

Nobody wants to play with cheesy griefbears, except other cheesy griefbears who need their brethren to feel understood and use leverage. They are a minority, and the tools to take aggressive action against their pixels are not implemented. What's so hard to understand ?

Even free forums remove trolls. Why should paying subscribers have to cope with trolls ?

No its quite simple, making plans and putting effort into it is fine, but you should understand that within the mechanics of the game it can be taken away or destroyed. Someone needs to decide before they play or carry out goals if it would upset them if they lost it.

If someone doesn't consider that they are ********, if they did consider it and then raged when they lost it they are ********, if someone plays the game in happy fluffy lala land and then accuses the person that caused the loss of being a greifer and god only knows what else whilst having a nervous breakdown they probably have a mental disorder.

Why oh why someone felt the urge to move this back to first page.