EVE General Discussion

True Story: While playing an online shooter my team came a cross a player that would *****, cry and insult us everytime he got shot. This is funny so we decided to seek him out at every opportunity.

Maybe if people could distinguish the difference between real life and a game there wouldn't be anybody getting upset over their pixels, less tears would be shed and 'harvesting' tears would not be possible.

If you feel miserable over something that player did to you in a game (and well within the rules of the game) and maintain a "it is more than a game", you fail at making a distinction between a game and real life so STEP AWAY from the keyboard RIGHT NOW.

That you find victims from whom to extract tears for your enjoyment doesn't exonerate you from my claim.

You enjoy causing real pain to real people, not characters. Your enjoyment is also very real. And you gain that enjoyment by using the game as the tool to inflict that pain. The game, in this instance, has become more than just a game to you. It is your tool. Therefore, you can no longer claim that the game is just a game to you, because the fact is that is isn't.

Hyperbolic bullshit. I bet you are one of the sad ******* that cries every time you accidentally delete a file BECAUSE IT IS SO REAL!

Ha well, but you see :




As fully disclosed by griefbears themselves, the RL rage of some random stranger is a precious delicacy and worth a thousandfold the isk gain of gank or scam.

But really the problem lies elsewhere : if there was any possibility to get back at griefbears, by hurting their wallet (i.e. having ingame tools -requiring standings, isk, both- to identify their "family", that is, their different accounts and characters, even those which they just bought), nobody would care about griefbearing. The gankee/scamee could get back at the ganker/scammer by going against his industry alt, his mission runner alt.
We'd also need a tool to blacklist market alts, so as to never engage in trade with them.


But as I've already stated, CCP thrives on a small minority of online sociopaths, so the cheesy gameplay is not going anywhere, don't be afraid little Alpheais fella !

i know for a fact there are many dudes who have one or more female alts
unacceptable

the op is a moron, it's just simple human nature
there are many psychological tests proving this, look em up

You are an example that goes against your own point.

What Matrix is trying to say is that people who are cheezed over losing a ship are only half of a grief equation. An outside observer can see someone getting upset over a 3D graphical construct representing a database entry that comprises a ship.

But they can also see people getting all excited - equally so - in blowing up that same construct.

It's not just the QQ'ing gankee who needs to step away from the keyboard and learn to differentiate between RL and the game.

But in the usual sociopathic "blame the victim" manner, the griefbears say it's all on their victims for reacting poorly. That's like running a car off the road and blaming the other driver for leaving the house that day. I recall an interview with a road rager who got sent to prison who sat there in his orange jumpsuit and coldly said the woman he killed was still at fault.

So where it's stated that getting overly excited about losing a ship is odd - agreeably so - getting all warm and fuzzy about being the one who blew it up is not really an elevated position in life.

Again, all I want is for griefers to admit to who and what they are. For a true sociopath, telling a lie about their intentions is part of the game. But if I wanted to be lied to by such people I can watch a politician speak.

Amazing how griefers get so defensive, fleeing from some concept where there is no implication in pursuit - they doth protest too much.

I think I know a pretty nice comparison (sorry if someone else already posted that)...

Let's say Eve Online is not only a tiny sandbox but a huge beach.
On a beach, the sand and the water belong to no one and are near infinite resources.
Now say, some ppl build sand castles, some even create some amazing art (eg. http://writinginsand.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/sandartbeach1.jpg).
Those people know that their creations won't last forever, some unexpected wave might carry it away or the beach cleaning staff might flatten it in the morning.
Yet, there is still a certain degree of attachment. You put effort and time into it, created something nice. Maybe other people will enjoy it aswell, while it lasts.
Now the beach might get crowded, and ppl want to use the space for their towels, or other artists want to use the space. So they destroy it. This is not done with the intent to cause grief, merely for some actual - maybe egoistic but quite valid - reason and not just to be a jerk.
Others might run into it by accident or unwillingly throw their frisbee into it. **** happens.

But then there comes some idiot and just lashes his surfboard onto the sand castle, laughs at your dissapointed face and walks off into the water.

Now back to Eve..
If you kill/pod/scam/.. someone just for the sake of causing grief and sorrow, then you are no different than the jerk at the beach. Yes it is allowed, yes it's just pixels/sand, but still, it was uncalled for and showed your true character.
There is no difference between 'ingame morale' and RL morale. You are you, and just because the rules allow you to do certain things, it is still you who has to make the decision to actually do it.

While overattachment to virtual internet spaceships aswell as fragile sand castles isn't exactly wise, it happens frequently. Griefer/Bullies/whatever you call it make use of this fact to satisfy their sadistic/sociophobic urges. Or why else would they, even - or rather especially - when they know someone is overattached, do the deed?

And just as a disclaimed kinda, in case the comparsion above wasn't clear on that:
All other kinds of PvP.. for ISK gain, political gain, sov gain, or whatsnot are totally reasonable, just like killing someone in CS or slaying a queen in chess.
If your goal is to become wealthy or influential, alright, there's nothing inherently imoral about that. But if your goal in Eve is to cause other players grief, then there is.

Some now might say that the intention doen't matter, the deed is still the same. But that is quite wrong. If I get killed because someone was interested in some faction module of mine, or something in my cargohold, I would indeed feel better than if he just laughed his ass of as my ship vanishs in an explosion. That e.g. is why I also feel ambivalent regarding the Ice Interdiction. I actually wonder what the actual goal is, as I really doubt it's just the 'lols'. Also I'm curious where it's gonna lead. So, no complaints there, Goons :p

Sorry for the wall of text...
And no, I am neither mad, nor have I ever been ganked at a gatecamp (yet) and need to whine about it. ;)

You know, I really don't expect some of you to even attempt to comprehend this. I know it's way beyond you (and I really don't mean offense by that). But you not understanding this doesn't make it "hyperbolic bullshit".

I dunno... Anyone who flips out IRL over something that happens in a game has some serious issues already. Playing EVE I "expect" to get blown up. It like....goes with the game...