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Player morality in EVE online. Why did you leave it at the door?

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Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
#841 - 2011-11-08 20:19:30 UTC
Ghost of Truth wrote:




THere are no rules in Eve.The game itself doesnt forces you to kill anyone.Think About it....


Uh, yes it does. Late at night when I'm sound asleep. I hear, "Kill kill kill..." coming from my computer. I run to see what is causing it, and wouldn't you know it, EVE Online is on, and my toon is talking to me, "Kill kill kill..."

Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.                   And some days, you're just a man with a gun.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#842 - 2011-11-08 20:21:41 UTC
Ghost of Truth wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
So playing by the rules is all of a sudden considered immoral? Interesting.




THere are no rules in Eve.The game itself doesnt forces you to kill anyone.Think About it....


And in the real world there are no rules that forces you to kill people yet people kill people all the time. Think about it....

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#843 - 2011-11-08 20:23:35 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Ghost of Truth wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
So playing by the rules is all of a sudden considered immoral? Interesting.




THere are no rules in Eve.The game itself doesnt forces you to kill anyone.Think About it....


And in the real world there are no rules that forces you to kill people yet people kill people all the time. Think about it....

Umm...what?

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#844 - 2011-11-08 20:24:45 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Ghost of Truth wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
So playing by the rules is all of a sudden considered immoral? Interesting.




THere are no rules in Eve.The game itself doesnt forces you to kill anyone.Think About it....


And in the real world there are no rules that forces you to kill people yet people kill people all the time. Think about it....


Thought about it.
Found it perfectly dumb and irrelevant.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#845 - 2011-11-08 20:28:55 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:


Umm...what?


I should get likes for confusing the **** out of you TBH.Lol

Krios Ahzek wrote:


Thought about it.
Found it perfectly dumb and irrelevant.


Good. Now you know what I feel about morality in a game such as EVE.

/thread

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#846 - 2011-11-08 20:31:36 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:


Umm...what?


I should get likes for confusing the **** out of you TBH.Lol

Krios Ahzek wrote:


Thought about it.
Found it perfectly dumb and irrelevant.


Good. Now you know what I feel about morality in a game such as EVE.

/thread



I didn't know that the victory condition for this thread was set to ''First poster to make no sense whatsoever''

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#847 - 2011-11-08 20:32:34 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:


Umm...what?


I should get likes for confusing the **** out of you TBH.Lol

And then have likes removed for constructing a sentence so bad that I, a long time veteran of forums filled with bad posting, couldn't understand.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
#848 - 2011-11-08 20:34:08 UTC
/thread

Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.                   And some days, you're just a man with a gun.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#849 - 2011-11-08 20:34:38 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:


I didn't know that the victory condition for this thread was set to ''First poster to make no sense whatsoever''


I'll have you know that the OP beat me to that.

Ladie Harlot wrote:


And then have likes removed for constructing a sentence so bad that I, a long time veteran of forums filled with bad posting, couldn't understand.


Aye. I learnt from the very best. You.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

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Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#850 - 2011-11-08 20:55:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Telegram Sam
Plus the fact that EVE's backstory, game art, official fiction, mission premises, etc. are pretty relentlessly grim. (Ever read any Eve Chronicles? Not many larfs in those things. Could depress a Norwegian death metaller. Or take the example of the regular run-of-the-mill Level 2 mission, the one where you the player have to bomb the scientists' meeting hall for the insane homicidal researcher agent. Not exactly your usual "be a hero and save the world from Evil" quest). Seems CCP deliberately designed the game environment itself to be anti-moral.
Joshua Aivoras
Tech IV Industries
#851 - 2011-11-09 11:08:40 UTC
I match my in game morality with my morals IRL. Others do not.

Griefers gonna grief.

95% of the players are loving EVE, the other 5%? On the forums.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#852 - 2011-11-09 11:14:24 UTC
wtf, this thread does not deserve to be 43 pages long.

When will the Spartans End?!?! Bear

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My Postman
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#853 - 2011-11-09 11:20:56 UTC
Twisted Alice wrote:
Eve attracts the dregs of the MMO gaming world, why you might ask, because it's a griefers paradise.


So you really should not expect anything else, not in Eve anyway.



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Russell Casey
Doomheim
#854 - 2011-11-09 12:09:12 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
wtf, this thread does not deserve to be 43 pages long.

When will the Spartans End?!?! Bear


Maybe if it gets long enough CCP will make it a sticky so they can delete all the other introspective crap threads that pop up.
Orange Faeces
Farbissina Industrial and Procurement
#855 - 2011-11-15 14:22:58 UTC
ACY GTMI wrote:
I guess the message is that people are faeces. Some more than others.

I had hoped for better.



... you called?


O.Faeces
Hemmo Paskiainen
#856 - 2011-11-15 14:51:21 UTC
im pure evil... best ganks hulk ganks!!!

nom nom u can even wake me up for that in the middle of the night Pirate

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?
Aubepine Finfleur
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#857 - 2011-11-15 15:06:06 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Krios Ahzek wrote:
Applying the DSM-IV fails because you're not showing psychopathic behavior if you're uncaring about the well-being of characters in a game.


Furthermore, the ability to know the difference between the two is generally considered a sign of good mental health.


Except that the griefbears fully acknowledge they enjoy the hell out of getting people to rage IRL, and love driving them out of the game.

So which population group has poor mental health, the one which does play the game to fly internet spaceships around, or the one that states that the goal of their behavior is the RL misery of some random player ?

Remove Concord, make kill rights transferable, change gateguns mechanics (introduce tracking)
Mrs Sooperdudespaceman
Doomheim
#858 - 2011-11-15 15:11:21 UTC
I murdered people in Skyrim with a bow and arrow, shot my boss in the face with a 10 mm pistol in Deus Ex, killed a police officer by running them over with a car in GTA IV, turned most of my companions to the dark side in KOTOR II, sold children into slavery in Fallout 3, deliberately sent one of my friends on a suicide mission in Mass effect 2, robbed a bank in APB, shot another player in the face with an M16 in COD 4, kicked a chicken in Fable, etc etc etc. How terribly immoral of me.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#859 - 2011-11-15 15:13:14 UTC
Please Lock, no further communication on the subject is necessary and i am afraid it is not even possible.
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#860 - 2011-11-15 15:13:18 UTC
Aubepine Finfleur wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Krios Ahzek wrote:
Applying the DSM-IV fails because you're not showing psychopathic behavior if you're uncaring about the well-being of characters in a game.


Furthermore, the ability to know the difference between the two is generally considered a sign of good mental health.


Except that the griefbears fully acknowledge they enjoy the hell out of getting people to rage IRL, and love driving them out of the game.

So which population group has poor mental health, the one which does play the game to fly internet spaceships around, or the one that states that the goal of their behavior is the RL misery of some random player ?


Well said.

If you enjoy making people miserable in Eve (collecting tears) and still maintain that "it's only a game" then you fail at distinguishing real life from a game.

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