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Mortis vonShadow

Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.

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#821 - 2011-11-07 18:21:27 UTC

Basileus Volkan wrote:

Just fyi, my dear people:

Quote:

According to the DSM-IV-TR (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders), in order to be diagnosed with Antisocial Personality Disorder, a patient must have a persistent history of disregard for and violation of the others’ rights, occurring since age 15, evidenced by three (or more) of the following seven traits:

- Failure to conform to social norms (evidenced by repeated unlawful behaviors)
- Deceitfulness, repeated lying, use of aliases, or manipulating others for personal profit or pleasure
- Impulsivity or failure to plan ahead
- Irritability and aggressiveness (repeated physical fights or assaults)
- Reckless disregard for safety of self or others
- Consistent irresponsibility (such as repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations)
- Lack of remorse, indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another

Incidentally this is also what it takes to get ahead in EvE and what we Goons have been doing all along. Bear

hehehehe, sounds like every US Marine I ever served with. Oohrah.

+1

Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. And some days, you're just a man with a gun.

Viziam Amarr Empire 2,561
Ladie Harlot Viziam Amarr Empire Likes received: 2,561	#822 - 2011-11-07 19:59:23 UTC Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Please, prove away. Still does not hide the fact that greifers and bullies are incapable of admitting it. Waiting for your proof. What examples of griefing have you seen in-game? Keep in mind that griefing is against the Eve Online ToS. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 1,019
Terminal Insanity KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation Likes received: 1,019	#823 - 2011-11-08 00:48:21 UTC I'm being griefed, by PLEX prices =( "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP

Cearain

Plus 10 NV

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#824 - 2011-11-08 04:42:17 UTC | Edited by: Cearain

Aubepine Finfleur wrote:

Torin Corax wrote:

I do not leave my morality at the door, as a gamer I simply adopt the morality of the game world into which I am immersing myself for a while. This principal holds true for every game I've ever played.
You ever bluff in poker? That's just attempting to trick someone. Not very nice to try and trick people out of real money surely? But that's the "morality" of the game. If you are going to play poker then you know this, and accept it.

Eve is a game set in a deliberately harsh universe, that is the "moral" baseline. Accept it and either enjoy the ride or move on. I enjoy the ride not because I like to hurt people, but because the constant risk associated with everything you do in Eve adds "spice". It's what makes otherwise mundane and boring activities tolerable. It also , to my mind at least, promotes teamwork in a way I've not experienced in any other game. There is nothing like the constant risk of sudden death to bind people together.

EvE is only hardcore and unforgiving if you try to play it in a civil manner. If you use all the tools at your disposal, it becomes fairly easymode, but also immersion-breaking. You merely have to activate multiple accounts to invalidate sec status mechanics, grief and scam to your heart's content with disposable or seemingly innocuous characters.

All the more proof that gank- and griefbears do not play the game as a means in itself, but only to make people mad over the internet. They don't care about immersion, since they use both positive and negative characters, disposable ones, and the relations between those characters make no sense whatsoever except in a metagaming context.

Nobody claims moral high ground, rather, every EvE player with common sense is disturbed by the fact there's no tool to get back at players playing this metagame, since chain of accounts are not assessed ingame. For example, the market alt of a gankbear semi-afk gatecamper (who waits for the gate activation signal while running missions on his positive sec status alt) should be recognized as such, and there should be a possibility to hide his market activity, so players who have a problem with him could boycott his trade.

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Ok I think this makes a good point. In that eve video where the guy gets revenge against pirates who ganked him they fail to mention that the characters he actually got revenge against had been sold in the character bazzarre so he was actully taking blueprints from somone else entirely. The whole notion of trying to get back at someone when characters can be sold and you don't even know it just doesn't work.

I think allot of people in this game grief others not because they are sadistic but because sometimes the ensuing rage is funny. And everyone likes a good laugh.

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Herzog Wolfhammer

Sigma Special Tactics Group

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#825 - 2011-11-08 05:59:53 UTC

Basileus Volkan wrote:

Just fyi, my dear people:

Quote:

Incidentally this is also what it takes to get ahead in EvE and what we Goons have been doing all along. Bear

That's a load of BS. You goons use the facade of being griefers to achieve actual game-related goals.

Oh sure, you just want to get tears ganking all those ice miners... wink wink nod nod. Lol

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Mortis vonShadow

Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.

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#826 - 2011-11-08 12:40:47 UTC

I hate to burst everyones bubbles. But, in EVE Online, you can get back at those that have wronged you in an unscrupulous way:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGplrpWvz0I&feature=relmfu

Even the Empire factions gank each other

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKviRpvGXBs&feature=relmfu

Its all part of the game.

/thread

Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. And some days, you're just a man with a gun.

Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 316
Mr LaForge Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State Likes received: 316	#827 - 2011-11-08 12:41:51 UTC If I didn't leave it at the door someone might have scammed me out of it inside. I can't have that. Stuff Goes here

Cearain

Plus 10 NV

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#828 - 2011-11-08 16:40:22 UTC

Mortis vonShadow wrote:

I hate to burst everyones bubbles. But, in EVE Online, you can get back at those that have wronged you in an unscrupulous way:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGplrpWvz0I&feature=relmfu

If you are like the person in this video, you have allot of time. Thats a lot of work to try to get revenge for a merlin. And it is likely that most of the people who blew up your merlin are no longer even in the alliance by the time you get access to those assets. Hell most of the characters may have been sold to other people by that time.

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Mortis vonShadow Balanaz Mining and Development Inc. Likes received: 538	#829 - 2011-11-08 16:46:33 UTC Cearain wrote: And it is likely that most of the people who blew up your merlin are no longer even in the alliance by the time you get access to those assets. Hell most of the characters may have been sold to other people by that time. And your point is? Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. And some days, you're just a man with a gun.

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ShadowandLight Trigger Happy Capsuleers Likes received: 380	#830 - 2011-11-08 17:52:46 UTC 2 I've always said: If you a scum bag online to other people, you are probably a scum bag in real life. Legacy - An EVE Online Blog Legacy of a Capsuleer Podcast EVEServers.info - One stop API Solution for Corps/Alliances


Mortis vonShadow Balanaz Mining and Development Inc. Likes received: 538	#831 - 2011-11-08 18:02:46 UTC ShadowandLight wrote: I've always said: If you a scum bag online to other people, you are probably a scum bag in real life. The butt hurt is strong in this one. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. And some days, you're just a man with a gun.

Cearain

Plus 10 NV

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#832 - 2011-11-08 18:34:42 UTC

Mortis vonShadow wrote:

I hate to burst everyones bubbles. But, in EVE Online, you can get back at those that have wronged you in an unscrupulous way:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGplrpWvz0I&feature=relmfu

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Mortis vonShadow wrote:

Cearain wrote:

And it is likely that most of the people who blew up your merlin are no longer even in the alliance by the time you get access to those assets. Hell most of the characters may have been sold to other people by that time.

And your point is?

You would not be getting back at those who wronged you.

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Jenshae Chiroptera

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#833 - 2011-11-08 19:00:38 UTC | Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera

Cearain wrote:

Mortis vonShadow wrote:

I hate to burst everyones bubbles. But, in EVE Online, you can get back at those that have wronged you in an unscrupulous way:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGplrpWvz0I&feature=relmfu

If you just get in the same corp then you can shoot some one when they aren't paying attention.

Also another way, if you are desperate for revenge, then you can train up a suicide ganker too.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Jita Alt666

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#834 - 2011-11-08 19:02:59 UTC

Cearain wrote:

Mortis vonShadow wrote:

Cearain wrote:

And your point is?

You would not be getting back at those who wronged you.

Mortis's point is simply that Eve Online, as shown in a video used to promote the game by CCP, is about unscrupulous behaviour. Therefore the discussion of morality and the lack of it in game is irrelevant.

What is your point? That the unscrupulous behaviour exhibited maybe against "innocent" people? Doesn't this possibility validate Mortis's position further?

Or are you simply arguing semantics for lulz?

AlleyKat

The Unwanted.

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#835 - 2011-11-08 19:10:17 UTC

Basileus Volkan wrote:

Just fyi, my dear people:

According to the DSM-IV-TR (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders), in order to be diagnosed with Antisocial Personality Disorder, a patient must have a persistent history of disregard for and violation of the others’ rights, occurring since age 15, evidenced by three (or more) of the following seven traits:

- Failure to conform to social norms (evidenced by repeated unlawful behaviors)
- Deceitfulness, repeated lying, use of aliases, or manipulating others for personal profit or pleasure
- Impulsivity or failure to plan ahead
- Irritability and aggressiveness (repeated physical fights or assaults)
- Reckless disregard for safety of self or others
- Consistent irresponsibility (such as repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations)
- Lack of remorse, indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another

Or as I call it; 'Friday Night'.

Lol

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Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 1,023
Krios Ahzek Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire Likes received: 1,023	#836 - 2011-11-08 19:36:45 UTC Applying the DSM-IV fails because you're not showing psychopathic behavior if you're uncaring about the well-being of characters in a game. Though All Men Do Despise Us


Ladie Harlot Viziam Amarr Empire Likes received: 2,561	#837 - 2011-11-08 19:38:22 UTC ShadowandLight wrote: I've always said: If you a scum bag online to other people, you are probably a scum bag in real life. You are ShadowandLight. A pod pilot so bad not even TEST would keep you. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

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Drifterin Thedark Likes received: 51	#838 - 2011-11-08 19:39:43 UTC ShadowandLight wrote: I've always said: If you a scum bag online to other people, you are probably a scum bag in real life. Google 'mask of sanity'. That's what the internet takes off..

Ranger 1

Ranger Corp

Vae. Victis.

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#839 - 2011-11-08 20:04:07 UTC

Krios Ahzek wrote:

Applying the DSM-IV fails because you're not showing psychopathic behavior if you're uncaring about the well-being of characters in a game.

Furthermore, the ability to know the difference between the two is generally considered a sign of good mental health.

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Ghost of Truth Mad Dawg Industries Likes received: 34	#840 - 2011-11-08 20:10:32 UTC Ladie Harlot wrote: So playing by the rules is all of a sudden considered immoral? Interesting. THere are no rules in Eve.The game itself doesnt forces you to kill anyone.Think About it....