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Player morality in EVE online. Why did you leave it at the door?

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Russell Casey
Doomheim
#721 - 2011-11-04 21:40:52 UTC
Xiozor wrote:
If you tried to put across EVE as a social experiment, you could get as far as "Virtual world" before any psychologist without an agenda to get video games banned would laugh in your face.


Not necessarily, look at the corrupted blood incident leading medical researchers to study WoW to learn about the spread of diseases, viruses and biological warfare.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2007-08-22/researchers-study-world-of-warcraft-plague/646624
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#722 - 2011-11-04 22:58:08 UTC
The Ecca One wrote:
Spineless sociopaths? Are you kidding me? If anything, this game is an accurate depiction of what real life would be like without societal constraints and anxieties.




Wrong.

A RL "gate camp" or something more like a "off ramp camp" would be cleared up in a few hours and the people doing the camping will not be coming back in a clone.

At least in the U.S. and it, like a EvE gate camp, would best be done with "sniper ships".


The only constraint that matters is death. Of course, I don't think that it's going that far for a griefer, as far as being a murderer goes or whether or not a griefer=killer. More likely griefer=Customer Service Worker.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Teamosil
Good Time Family Band Solution
#723 - 2011-11-04 23:00:40 UTC
I'm more concerned about people checking their morality at the door when they play checkers. Did they not know I wanted to keep those pieces they jumped or do the heartless bastards just not even care?!?!
Riedle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#724 - 2011-11-04 23:06:43 UTC
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Schadenfreude, which it defined as "delighting in others' misfortune", was mentioned by Arthur Schopenhauer as the most evil sin of human feeling, for example and from Wikipedia -your trolling deserves no better-.


Yes, but if you understood the meaning you would know that schadenfreude is enjoyed from a passive stance. ie: you take pleasure in hearing about someone you don't like going through something unpleasant. No one who knows the proper meaning of schadenfreude uses it in an active participant sense that you did. ergo, you do not and still do not understand the meaning of the word.

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And that's precisely what gankbears admittedly delect it, so it's pretty dumb of you to counsel players not to emorage, since you're supporting their skill-less, spineless, craven and boring approach to EvE ! If nobody cared about their internet spaceships, what would gankbears feed on : ( ?


I PVP for the challenge. If some knuckle dragger who can't or won't make the differentiation between reality and a video game and amo rages after i blow up their precious internet pixels then sure, I laugh. meaning, I laugh AT the person for being some hopelessly ********. If you emorage at someone who has killed your internet pixels in a game largely about doing just that - you have issues - no question.

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Who would do a non-territory gatecamp in 0.0 ? Oh, you mean chokepoint bandits ? If they operate deep in 0.0, in between alliances territories, that's quite honorable. If they hold the lowsec entry, that's no better than a lowsec gatecamp, which is the lowest form of PvP in any MMO ever.


lol and why is that? because that is where you die the most? get a grip. the world does not revolve around YOU.
I bet your parents never had the guts to say NO to you did they? Typical spoiled child syndrome in my opinion.

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This game has dumb hard limits on PvP because of a small minority of players, closet sociopaths, who should not be welcome in any sandboxy MMO.


cry some moar
Blue Binary
Polychoron
#725 - 2011-11-04 23:11:52 UTC
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Why did you leave it at the door?

Because there are no real life consequences.
Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#726 - 2011-11-05 01:03:38 UTC
Riedle wrote:
Quote:

Schadenfreude, which it defined as "delighting in others' misfortune", was mentioned by Arthur Schopenhauer as the most evil sin of human feeling, for example and from Wikipedia -your trolling deserves no better-.


Yes, but if you understood the meaning you would know that schadenfreude is enjoyed from a passive stance. ie: you take pleasure in hearing about someone you don't like going through something unpleasant. No one who knows the proper meaning of schadenfreude uses it in an active participant sense that you did. ergo, you do not and still do not understand the meaning of the word.

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And that's precisely what gankbears admittedly delect it, so it's pretty dumb of you to counsel players not to emorage, since you're supporting their skill-less, spineless, craven and boring approach to EvE ! If nobody cared about their internet spaceships, what would gankbears feed on : ( ?


I PVP for the challenge. If some knuckle dragger who can't or won't make the differentiation between reality and a video game and amo rages after i blow up their precious internet pixels then sure, I laugh. meaning, I laugh AT the person for being some hopelessly ********. If you emorage at someone who has killed your internet pixels in a game largely about doing just that - you have issues - no question.

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Who would do a non-territory gatecamp in 0.0 ? Oh, you mean chokepoint bandits ? If they operate deep in 0.0, in between alliances territories, that's quite honorable. If they hold the lowsec entry, that's no better than a lowsec gatecamp, which is the lowest form of PvP in any MMO ever.


lol and why is that? because that is where you die the most? get a grip. the world does not revolve around YOU.
I bet your parents never had the guts to say NO to you did they? Typical spoiled child syndrome in my opinion.

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This game has dumb hard limits on PvP because of a small minority of players, closet sociopaths, who should not be welcome in any sandboxy MMO.


cry some moar
Another one steps into the trap. Moar....bore.

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
Michael Holmes Holmes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#727 - 2011-11-05 01:05:03 UTC
And round and round it goes eh?


Some folks just want to blow up internet spaceships and that is fine, nobody who understands what EVE is will ever debate that the unrestricted PvP is one of the main pulls of the game.

I think folks just want better behavior from the player when this happens, there is a difference between taunting a players character with your character (oh noes! roleplay in a roleplaying game!) and actually taunting the player behind the monitor just to make the player angry.


I know that some of you who grief are probably good people who would never harm a fly in real life, but if you think that personally attacking another player so that they do not enjoy the game experience is okay then you really might need to take a good look at that.

I see too many racial and sexual orientation slurs involved to believe that griefing is anything but the player projecting personal ignorance and bigotry into the game and directing it at other players, not the player characters.
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#728 - 2011-11-05 01:30:35 UTC
Morals are the shackles which the weak have tricked the strong into wearing.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#729 - 2011-11-05 01:40:48 UTC
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
Morals are the shackles which the weak have tricked the strong into wearing.


Morals are something that every mentally healthy person inherently understands and chooses to act upon or not.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#730 - 2011-11-05 01:41:21 UTC
Morals are for plebs. I am the 1%.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Aubepine Finfleur
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#731 - 2011-11-05 03:44:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Aubepine Finfleur
Riedle wrote:
I am an insecure, autistic hair-splitting closet sociopath


You know why it's Schadenfreude? because most gankbears are weak little sadists yet cannot admit so. They believe their actions have no malice in them, but will laugh at their consequence, i.e. people raging over losing internet spaceships. They enjoy the distress of fellow gamers, but they don't want to be held responsible for it and put the burden of said distress on some psychological defect of the virtual victim.
"Dude u shuldnt rage I jus play the gaem... lol y u rage so bro? u mad?"
So it's either Schadenfreude for the autistic type, or admitted sadism for the more enlightened of gankbears.

You are a sad person, of the first category very likely. You're painful to read and to respond as your twisted, circunambulated and pervert stab-in-the-dark ad hominems make little sense. You need to sort out your emotional mess, step out your autistic objectivism and think like a social being.

It's also hilarious to see you defending 0.0 entry gatecamps and pretending you PvP for the challenge !

edit: Look at you, collecting hate chat ! how pathetic a gamer are you ?

" [00:19:21] minergreg > 1bill in da bank i dnt give a ****
[00:19:46] minergreg > I'll come back with my thanatos

[21:00:31] Creeping > **** you
[21:00:49] Creeping > i dont give a ****
[21:01:22] Creeping > put it this way, if you were in front of me i would beat you to a pulp
[21:03:39] Creeping > It is pointless to argue in a game, with somepone blanketed by the safety of distance , so i will stop."

I believe this Creeping person has a point. Gankbears just enjoy people's rage and are too cowardly to seek it IRL.

Remove Concord, make kill rights transferable, change gateguns mechanics (introduce tracking)
Michael Holmes Holmes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#732 - 2011-11-05 03:47:36 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Morals are for plebs. I am the 1%.



We can always expect such insight from you, it just gets boring.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#733 - 2011-11-05 03:53:11 UTC
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
Morals are the shackles which the weak have tricked the strong into wearing.


Eloquent, but I don't agree.

Katrina Oniseki
Jenshae Chiroptera
#734 - 2011-11-05 04:10:49 UTC
Morality and cooperation overcame anarchy and barbarian civilisation. Unfortunately it does nothing toward fixing the individuals. However, we do have prison systems for those that can't take a hint in real life. Mean while in EVE, repercussions are sadly few and far between.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#735 - 2011-11-05 04:32:00 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Morality and cooperation overcame anarchy and barbarian civilisation. Unfortunately it does nothing toward fixing the individuals. However, we do have prison systems for those that can't take a hint in real life. Mean while in EVE, repercussions are sadly few and far between.


There is also help in the real world for people like you and others like you, that are traumatized by events in a computer game in the most negative way imaginable and are incapable of distinguish between reality and fantasy.

It is called psychiatric therapy and is administrated by a psychiatrist. For everyone's sake, seek help!

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#736 - 2011-11-05 04:34:41 UTC
Alpheias wrote:

It is called psychiatric therapy and is administrated by a psychiatrist. For everyone's sake, seek help!


They discharged me, saying that I was "functional" However, I suspect that rehabilitating the shrinks was costing too much. Blink

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#737 - 2011-11-05 04:50:55 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
Morals are the shackles which the weak have tricked the strong into wearing.


Eloquent, but I don't agree.


Its quite the opposite, morals "as today morals of modern society" are there to protect those with power by inflicting it to masses so they will be lost in self-control on "i cant do that its wrong"
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#738 - 2011-11-05 04:53:11 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
Morals are the shackles which the weak have tricked the strong into wearing.


Eloquent, but I don't agree.


Its quite the opposite, morals "as today morals of modern society" are there to protect those with power by inflicting it to masses so they will be lost in self-control on "i cant do that its wrong"


Oh, so it is more of a "with great power comes great responsibility"-thing then?

Please pardon me, I am stomping on some helpless miners as if they were ants.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#739 - 2011-11-05 04:56:43 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
Morals are the shackles which the weak have tricked the strong into wearing.


Eloquent, but I don't agree.


Its quite the opposite, morals "as today morals of modern society" are there to protect those with power by inflicting it to masses so they will be lost in self-control on "i cant do that its wrong"


Oh, so it is more of a "with great power comes great responsibility"-thing then?

Please pardon me, I am stomping on some helpless miners as if they were ants.



Good point, i havent thought about it. .. It was quite an off game comment.

But if you do this you certainly lack any power at all and just simple fact that you enjoy such actually lower your self-respect and you become an lower species Big smile

But feel free to impose same old thing you people try to tell, and has been proven wrong again and again.
You know who you are, leave it at that. You dont have to say us what you do, what you enjoy and you certainly dont have to tell us why you do it. Its in your closet where it belong.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#740 - 2011-11-05 05:00:49 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
Morals are the shackles which the weak have tricked the strong into wearing.


Eloquent, but I don't agree.


Its quite the opposite, morals "as today morals of modern society" are there to protect those with power by inflicting it to masses so they will be lost in self-control on "i cant do that its wrong"


Oh, so it is more of a "with great power comes great responsibility"-thing then?

Please pardon me, I am stomping on some helpless miners as if they were ants.



Good point, i havent thought about it. .. It was quite an off game comment.

But if you do this you certainly lack any power at all and just simple fact that you enjoy such actually lower your self-respect and you become an lower species Big smile

But feel free to impose same old thing you people try to tell, and has been proven wrong again and again.
You know who you are, leave it at that. You dont have to say us what you do, what you enjoy and you certainly dont have to tell us why you do it. Its in your closet where it belong.


English isn't my native language. But, what?

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.