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Player morality in EVE online. Why did you leave it at the door?

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Basileus Volkan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2011-10-30 19:37:49 UTC
Saying EvE "is a game" and as such is completely disconnected from what you do in real life is pretty wrong.

If anything EvE is probably the MMOG where it's hardest to distinguish between game and RL. Partly due to how the game is set up -Player based economy, no repercussions for scamming and such- and partly due to the much vaunted metagame that is going on.

So yea, being good at scamming or being likely to fall for a scam, for example, says a lot about the person behind the screen.

EvE is a bit like the Stanford prison experiment, to be honest.
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#42 - 2011-10-30 19:38:02 UTC
Its
A
Game

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
gfldex
#43 - 2011-10-30 19:39:43 UTC
Huehuehue wrote:
But of course you cannot seperate the two.


You mean you can't. How about actors that play #insert german dictator name here#? Are they all #insert political movement before the end of WWII in germany here#?

Huehuehue wrote:
You do not suddenly turn into another person that has no affect on your real person when you log on.


Ofc, not. You merely play a game. And if they follow the rules decide the GMs, not you.

Huehuehue wrote:

Like I said, I would never ever kill a miner or missioner UNLESS they are in enemy corporation I'm in war with and thus it's part of agreed combat.


Some players see the reality and assume any player as an enemy by default. If you are blue, purple or green they wont shoot you. Anybody else is a competitor over resources or customers. Oddly enough you can actually sell somebody a ship that you have blown up 2 weeks ago (I managed to do that once, gave me a good giggle).

Please have a look at all those little stars your posts contain. I believe I can judge your personality much better from the way you expose yourself here at this very forum then you can judge me by my actions ingame.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
Vigdis Thorisdottir
Doomheim
#44 - 2011-10-30 19:50:16 UTC
I don't think morality plays a part in my in-game decisions. I'm playing a game, to hopefully have some fun. That said, I don't blow up miners when I see them out in lowsec because blowing up retrievers and mammoths isn't FUN to me. I see a combat ship out there though, and there is an implied assertion that the pilot flying it enjoys combat somewhat, so I'll go at him. Not because it only feels "right" to go after certain targets, but because it is more fun.

There are a certain portion of people who feel validated or "manly" when they are able to "take" something from others (often seen in gamblers, particularly card players). But this is only a small portion of people (or most teenage boys).
Jita Alt666
#45 - 2011-10-30 19:50:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Jita Alt666
Peri Simone wrote:
Personally, I don't see shooting down a lone miner as being any less moral than bankrupting someone for landing on my Mayfair hotel. Or to put it another way, it's part of the game - deal with it.


Taking this very valid point to the next level:
Attempting to own a hotel on Mayfair in Monopoly is immoral, as its main in game purpose is to glean as much in game money for no greater service than landing on any other square.

Taking this to the next level:
Attempting to maximise material gains in real life is immoral as you are attempting glean as much real life money for as little service as possible.

Taking this to the next level:
If the OP is serious, he/she is a communist.
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#46 - 2011-10-30 19:51:57 UTC
Richard Hammond II wrote:
Its
A
Game

qft

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
XIRUSPHERE
In Bacon We Trust
#47 - 2011-10-30 19:53:14 UTC
Morality is merely a human construct upon the foundation of reality. The world of man is infinitely more immoral than any possible action that can be taken in a game. Most choose to insulate themselves from this reality and easily so in a world full of false and misleading ideals and information control.

Be thankful this is nothing but a shadow of the true depravity of our species. We are nothing more than apex predators who are still in the infancy of civilization, your morality is a social adaptation towards self preservation and preservation of the species and nothing more.

The advantage of a bad memory is that one can enjoy the same good things for the first time several times.

One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean actions to fear.
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#48 - 2011-10-30 19:54:49 UTC
XIRUSPHERE wrote:
Morality is merely a human construct upon the foundation of reality. The world of man is infinitely more immoral than any possible action that can be taken in a game. Most choose to insulate themselves from this reality and easily so in a world full of false and misleading ideals and information control.

Be thankful this is nothing but a shadow of the true depravity of our species. We are nothing more than apex predators who are still in the infancy of civilization, your morality is a social adaptation towards self preservation and preservation of the species and nothing more.


lots of words that translate to:

because
its
a
game

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#49 - 2011-10-30 19:56:17 UTC
Communist! We don't take kindly to those around here >;D

Ferox #1
KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#50 - 2011-10-30 20:01:53 UTC
Kietay Ayari wrote:
Communist! We don't take kindly to those around here >;D


How about "Communalist?"

Dum Spiro Spero
Flakey Foont
#51 - 2011-10-30 20:05:00 UTC
No one "leaves their morality at the door." You are moral or you are not. If you enjoy inflicting distress on others in a game you no doubt enjoy it in RL as well.
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#52 - 2011-10-30 20:11:14 UTC
Flakey Foont wrote:
No one "leaves their morality at the door." You are moral or you are not. If you enjoy inflicting distress on others in a game you no doubt enjoy it in RL as well.



The problem is you should not be inflicting distress on others. Not that you should not gank people, but they should not be in distress after watching their pixel ship asplode!

Yes I hear a lot of talk on the EVE forums about... tears? I don't even want to know how this started and I will admit to me it sounds a little insane to say things like that! But I don't think its wrong to want to make someone be like awww I just lost something I put a lot of work into! Enjoying tears is a little weird to me though! But then this just circles back... to what I originally said... someone should not be crying over this in the first place! D: Ahhh!

Just fly the pretty ships and you will definitely feel a lot better in general! ;D

Ferox #1
Twisted Alice
Doomheim
#53 - 2011-10-30 20:13:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Twisted Alice
Mortis vonShadow wrote:
Huehuehue wrote:
Mortis vonShadow wrote:
I'll tell you why. Because everyone that plays EVE Online is looking to escape from their real life. Sometimes that means for some of us becoming something we are not in real life.

The average person that plays EVE Online in reality would never walk over to anyone sitting at a stop light and shoot them in the face and then laugh about it. Why? Cuz' the response to that would end their life as well. But in EVE, it is okay to become that gun weilding maniac and laugh at the victim. Hell its encouraged.

If you play a video game and expect a moral compass, you are going to be very very upset with EVE. It doesn't and won't exsist.





I play EVE to "escape" from real life just as much as the next guy, but I know I bring my real life morality with me to the game, I mean how could you not? That's not something you just turn off.


Well, thats you. Some of us others what to be something we aren't in real life. I believe they call it escapism.



He plays Eve to escape but he can't escape his morals, they're too strong. So they end up ingame with his character. Which of course limits the playstyle somewhat.

You just have to remember that not everyone is the same and people can actually play without bring RL issues into the game. Peoples characters do not necessarily reflect what they're like in RL.

If you can't accept that then you'll have a tough time in Eve.
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
#54 - 2011-10-30 20:14:05 UTC
Flakey Foont wrote:
No one "leaves their morality at the door." You are moral or you are not. If you enjoy inflicting distress on others in a game you no doubt enjoy it in RL as well.



Oh, you know this for a fact?

I enjoy the suicide gank as much as the Goons do. Does that make me a knuckle dragger?

Back in 1990 I went to Liberia with the US Marine Corps and helped save 5000 Americans and Europeans from the violence there.

So, you tell me. Am I a knuckle dragging *******?

Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.                   And some days, you're just a man with a gun.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#55 - 2011-10-30 20:14:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Flakey Foont wrote:
If you enjoy inflicting distress on others in a game you no doubt enjoy it in RL as well.
If you enjoy shooting people in the face in CoD, you no doubt enjoy it in RL as well.
If you enjoy winning at Monopoly, you no doubt enjoy oppressing people in RL as well.
If you enjoy killing Orcs in D&D, you're no doubt a racist in RL as well.


Or, as they say, lolno.

edit: By the way…
Huehuehue wrote:
But when you kill a lone miner who's not even in a player corp that's just evil.
How so?
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
#56 - 2011-10-30 20:16:25 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Flakey Foont wrote:
If you enjoy inflicting distress on others in a game you no doubt enjoy it in RL as well.
If you enjoy shooting people in the face in CoD, you no doubt enjoy it in RL as well.
If you enjoy winning at Monopoly, you no doubt enjoy oppressing people in RL as well.
If you enjoy killing Orcs in D&D, you're no doubt a racist in RL as well.


Or, as they say, lolno.



+1 for Tippia. You're my hero.

Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.                   And some days, you're just a man with a gun.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#57 - 2011-10-30 20:17:45 UTC
Flakey Foont wrote:
No one "leaves their morality at the door." You are moral or you are not. If you enjoy inflicting distress on others in a game you no doubt enjoy it in RL as well.


It is not my fault if the pvper I steal from and escape from gets upset over virtual things. If they cannot separate reality from fantasy, it is their problem.
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#58 - 2011-10-30 20:29:59 UTC
Richard Hammond II wrote:
XIRUSPHERE wrote:
Morality is merely a human construct upon the foundation of reality. The world of man is infinitely more immoral than any possible action that can be taken in a game. Most choose to insulate themselves from this reality and easily so in a world full of false and misleading ideals and information control.

Be thankful this is nothing but a shadow of the true depravity of our species. We are nothing more than apex predators who are still in the infancy of civilization, your morality is a social adaptation towards self preservation and preservation of the species and nothing more.


lots of words that translate to:

because
its
a
game


summing up this thread

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
The Apostle
Doomheim
#59 - 2011-10-30 20:43:44 UTC
Morality?

In RL, I'm the kind of guy that you don't stare at too long because I look like a bikie , talk like I mean it and I have a hardass stare. You won't **** with me unless you're ready for it.

In Eve I'm a priest. I get to be a victim. Blink

[i]Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo![/i]
Concorde Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2011-10-30 20:48:15 UTC
Flakey Foont wrote:
No one "leaves their morality at the door." You are moral or you are not. If you enjoy inflicting distress on others in a game you no doubt enjoy it in RL as well.



Wait, what? This is not true at all.

In EVE, I have no issue with ganking some poor ice miner, because I'm destroying virtual things with virtual consequences - he only loses a couple hours of work.

IRL, if I was to, say, destroy someone's car and they couldn't get to work anymore that would much worse, I'd be destroying real life things with real life consequences. I could never bring myself to do that.

And yes, as other people have said,

it's
a
game.