EVE General Discussion

What ever you do don't actually try to think and answer the question. Anything but that. Just post more about how much you dislike my own posts.

It's part of the game, simple as that really. There are many, many games out there that cater to people who want to be moral white knights, but eve is not one of them. Eve is not JUST a sandbox, it is often described (by its creators no less) as a harsh, unforgiving universe. Hell one of their recent ads featured a guy who cripples an entire alliance by stealing all of their stuff. It's not just that it's allowed; it's that it's considered one of the fundamental aspects of the game. You don't whine about morality when someone kills off your rook in chess, so don't whine when someone kills off your barge in eve.

This game involves allot of metagaming so there is not such a clear line between ingame and out of game.

If there were you would be able to answer the questions I put forth as easilly as I can answer your questions.

But clearly you haven't thought things through enough to answer questions. My pointing that out is upsetting you leading you to take pot shots at me.

One man's racial slur is another man's term of endearment.

Dude, at this point people have stopped trying to REASON with you, which doesn't mean they have succeeded to your arguments. I answered the question you laid out before, which is that games that require lying you are argue are immoral by nature. However this is usually disregarded as most people forgo the typically immoral behaviour as immoral simply because all of the parties agree to it.

While EVE is a far more complicated game than other examples that can be produced, it does not remove the fundamental similarities it shares with other games such as risk or poker. The failure to realize that you are accepting these "codes of conduct" simply means you are making the game harder for yourself.

Your not the first by any means. CVA holding themselves to a NRDS policy, or PIE Inc only flying on amarr hulls is them playing the game in their own way, separate from the base rules.

This is the same as you EXPECTING people to bring the IRL morals into the GAME. Yes, you are holding yourself to a different standard but it is silly to think that everyone else ought to play by your adjusted rule set.

This goes back to my last question to you about allowing people REAL trust from the VIRTUAL trust they have built with you. The fact that there is a difference between them should exemplify what I am talking about. IRL behavior goes out the window based upon original agreement you submit to by simply playing a game.

Let's suppose...


A windstorm blows a tree down and it hits your car. The car is wrecked.

How would that feel?



You are wanting to challenge a group of punks for local control of the block, you do them wrong, or tresspass on their turf, or mess with their activities. They vandalize and wreck your car.

How would that feel?



You mind your own business and the punks on the block who you never met before vandalize your car for the fun of it. The car is wrecked.

How would that feel?


(now imagine in the third case they set up a billboard with your picture and the wrecked car and some snarky comments - how would that feel?)


Now let's imagine:

You want to really ruin somebody's day. The world must pay because it condemned you to such a sorry neckbearded existence.
Which target would least interest you:

- another neckbeard who probably deserves your wrath.
- someone who you paint as beneath you, using derogatory terms (carebear) and somehow needing to be taken down a notch somehow for not being a neckbeard, and will really not take lightly to the treatment?


As far as "doing it because you can" goes, and the old yarn of "don't compare real life to a game", take a good look at the state of the economy and warfare in the world today and you will see that the application of "do it because I can" is just as alive and well in the real world as in any game.

The difference is that SOME people can get away with anything, and if you are not one of them, you won't get away with anything.

Makes me wonder though. Perhaps the high rate of "doing it because I can" are on the part of those many people who have been on the receiving end of "doing it because I can" and therefore must come to a game and do it to someone else. That is, since you can't do anything about the people who wronged you, select someone in a game and do likewise?

Maybe there is a deep dark motive to MMOs? Would the world be a better place if every asshat who deserved revenge upon them got it instead of their victims running off and giving grief in some virtual existence that matters little?

hmmmmmmmmm

People answered your questions. You just didn't get the answers you wanted.

I would like an answer that actually responds to the question. Not just a bunch of words typed after the question is quoted. There is a difference.

Hey, wouldn't us disagreeing with you and causing you to get angry make us sociopaths as well?

I mean, if your hurt feelings are the only indicator if something done to you was moral or not shouldn't just the fact that we disagree with you be a sign that we are all psychopaths?