EVE General Discussion

I know this is going to be a controversial topic (mostly everyone vs. me I think...) but please read trough. This is not a troll attempt of kind, but this is an attempt to generate discussion on this topic.

It seems to me that most of EVE player community seems to think , even if they don't do this themselves, that it's okay to shoot down a lone miner or missioner in low sec, steal ore, threaten someone for money etc. "It's part of the game, deal with it" is what I hear most of the time. The question I want to ask you is this: Why do you leave your morality at login screen? Don't get me wrong, pvp and such is obviously okay when both parties do it for fun and enjoyment, which is the case with most pvp in EVE. Sure, no one likes to lose but that's part of the fun too. But when you kill a lone miner who's not even in a player corp that's just evil. You don't see people saying "well he shouldn't whine it's part of the life" if a guy wanders in bad part of the town and gets beat up do you? How would like it if I came up to you and beat you up, afterwards saying "hey don't get mad, god (aka the lead dev of life ;) ) made this possible so it's cool!". You don't see theist go around saying **** like that do you?

It's so easy to be an ******* to people when you both are anonymous and it's never going to get back you. What marks a real good and moral person is his ability sympathize with others regardless of the fact who and where the other person is. "It's part of the game" is just really really bad excuse for behaving like an ******* and makes me wonder if these people are just as bad irl, or do express their inner ******* online because they don't have the balls to do it irl? I know I'd much rather just say hi to that lonely miner than blow him to pieces just because.

Many reasons;

Killmails
Shiny isk drops
Market manipulation (See: Goonswarm ice interdiction)
Getting revenge for something they did/said to you
Getting prizes (See: Hulkageddon)
Asset denial if they're aiding an enemy
Killing bots

etc

Eve attracts the dregs of the MMO gaming world, why you might ask, because it's a griefers paradise.


So you really should not expect anything else, not in Eve anyway.

I feel like Role Playing the Villain in this MMORPG.

Video Games would be less interesting without villains.

I'll tell you why. Because everyone that plays EVE Online is looking to escape from their real life. Sometimes that means for some of us becoming something we are not in real life.

The average person that plays EVE Online in reality would never walk over to anyone sitting at a stop light and shoot them in the face and then laugh about it. Why? Cuz' the response to that would end their life as well. But in EVE, it is okay to become that gun weilding maniac and laugh at the victim. Hell its encouraged.

If you play a video game and expect a moral compass, you are going to be very very upset with EVE. It doesn't and won't exsist.

But of course you cannot seperate the two. You do not suddenly turn into another person that has no affect on your real person when you log on. Like I said, I would never ever kill a miner or missioner UNLESS they are in enemy corporation I'm in war with and thus it's part of agreed combat. And how can you say there are no real consenquenses, each player devotes his time, which is the single most valuable asset any human has to this game, and you can bet the missioneer who lost his brand new cnr because you felt the kill mail would look nice does not feel good.

I don't think everyone leaves morality at the door. But it isn't the same as RL. Part of the fun of EVE is that you can do things like this, comparing it to RL makes no sense. Would you go around asking people to fight you to the death in RL and then gloat about how you did it after?

I think I would even have a hard time being angry at a friend if they betrayed me in this game. That specifically is something I have thought about super a lot. I mean on one hand they are your friend and you suspect they will not betray you. But on the other hand they are just messing with you in a game so its not like they really betrayed you!

I think maybe it would be funny >_> But then again I haven't worked for 3 years building something in this game only to have it asploded! All I can say is so far the people I have met who do not take being killed personally in this game are a lot more fun to talk to!

At the very least its more interesting and makes good adventure stories for future pen pals ;D

Yeah I don't leave my morality at the door, all my characters are moral. I even tried to make an alt a pirate once doing the dozen cheap rifters thing, but I just couldn't get into the idea of zapping people for no reason, or just for loot. That character ended up being "good" at the end too, and remorseful for her earlier crimes

I do consider my inability to play evil characters to be a bit of a character flaw though. I should be able to, but I just can't, which denotes some kind of inflexibility in me, I think. Or maybe I just want to be loved.

It is a game, and the point is to be able to be what you wanna be in it, if you wanna be evil, you can. It's fun in a game precisely because you don't, and wouldn't, do that stuff in real life. You get to explore the dark side like you never could, or would, in real life.

People are dicks....... that's why

if i could lie, cheat, & steal and get away with it in real life i'd do it but i can't cos of laws (well i could but if i'm caught i go to jail)......... in eve online there is no consequences for being dicks. So people are dicks.

Yes, it is something you just turn off.

I would never indiscriminately slaughter everyone I see in a given area in real life, but I do it all the time in Call of Duty - would you say that me killing people in an FPS makes me an immoral person?