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Why do only Tech 3s allow for interdiction nullifiers?
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Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-09-16 20:33:13 UTC
First let me say that this isn't a thread advocating some interdiction nullifier module or anything like that. I've always liked interdictors.

That said, I'm curious why this is the one thing unique to tech 3 ships. The new way of thinking by CCP seems to be that tech 3s shouldn't specialize or be superior to a ship dedicated to a certain role. But this seems to be an exception because there is no other ship capable of ignoring bubbles.

What would be the drawbacks to adding this ability to some covert ops ships? Or, a new type of ship.

Perhaps with the trade off being that light interdictors get infinipoint added as a feature to warp scramblers.

Feel free to tell me how this is a horrible idea. I'm not married to it.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-09-16 20:35:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Murk Paradox
Well, what they meant in saying a t3 shouldn't be more superior in their role is that a t3 shouldn't be able to drop a bubble as good as say, a devoter.

And afaik, it can't.

That doesn't have anything to do with a legion being able to fit to travel through them.

But as an anomaly, it gives a jack of all trades a chance to NOT have that devoter be a FOTM best thing ever ship as it has a counter.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3 - 2013-09-16 20:41:30 UTC
Because of Falcon!

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Spurty
#4 - 2013-09-16 21:57:35 UTC
As long as fitting it means you lose skill points when your ship explodes and you can only fit it on BS sized ships, go for it.

Frigates and cruisers already have massive advantages to get around bubbles. Pointless exuberance having bubble nullification as well.

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Baggo Hammers
#5 - 2013-09-16 22:33:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Baggo Hammers
Explorer got popped in null (or is afraid to go) in their covops. Wants Interdiction Nullifier.

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Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-09-16 22:42:32 UTC
Because T3 ships can fit subsystems. And only subsystems can nullify interdiction fields.

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Daimon Kaiera
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-09-16 22:44:31 UTC
Aiwha wrote:
Because T3 ships can fit subsystems. And only subsystems can nullify interdiction fields.


T3 frigates.
T3 battlecruisers.
T3 Battleships.
T3 DREADNOUGHTS
HELL, LET'S HAVE T3 TITANS.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#8 - 2013-09-16 22:48:17 UTC
A tech 3 covert ops ship.

Maybe the introduction of a new type, the heavy bomber (multiple launchers). Cool


I'd like to see the day.

Good question though, but once we have a module or rig dedicated to interdiction nullifying, the bubble is dead (but nullsec would be more lively).

As usual though, the problem seems to be in that level that which we deal with jamming most of the time. With jamming it's either "jammed or not jammed".

With bubbles it's either "bubbled or not bubbled if you have T3 with IN".

Notice how two feature or capabilities in this game that have such a binary result have so much influence on the game?

Is this because everything else is not so binary in outcomes such that they are affected by module types for and against, skills, and implants? What if everything else was as binary as bubbles and ECM? What if ECM and bubbles were not so binary?

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#9 - 2013-09-16 23:02:07 UTC
Maybe because T3 were originally intended for w-space usage, where there are likely to be bubbles on wormholes.

Same reason why T3 can have a scanning bonus and tractor bonus.
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-09-16 23:07:00 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
What if ECM and bubbles were not so binary?



*waits patiently through gate-cloak for the single instant the warp disruption field weakens momentarily, and makes an escape*

better yet

*signals friend to decloak and apply electromagnetic pulse to the warp bubble/probe/heavy interdictor causing field to distort and weaken randomly* then *makes an escape*


neat idea.

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Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-09-16 23:08:48 UTC
Baggo Hammers wrote:
Explorer got popped in null (or is afraid to go) in their covops. Wants Interdiction Nullifier.


Actually I have spent almost all my time in null and w-space, and I don't think I've ever lost a cov ops.

I have lost an Onyx though.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#12 - 2013-09-16 23:47:17 UTC
Because T3s are hybridized versions of sleeper tech, and sleepers don't give a **** about bubbles.





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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#13 - 2013-09-17 00:31:40 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Because T3s are hybridized versions of sleeper tech, and sleepers don't give a **** about bubbles.

Maybe they need to wisen up.

Even without bubbles we seem to murder them in heaps

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#14 - 2013-09-17 03:32:10 UTC
Jada Maroo wrote:
First let me say that this isn't a thread advocating some interdiction nullifier module or anything like that. I've always liked interdictors.

That said, I'm curious why this is the one thing unique to tech 3 ships. The new way of thinking by CCP seems to be that tech 3s shouldn't specialize or be superior to a ship dedicated to a certain role. But this seems to be an exception because there is no other ship capable of ignoring bubbles.

What would be the drawbacks to adding this ability to some covert ops ships? Or, a new type of ship.

Perhaps with the trade off being that light interdictors get infinipoint added as a feature to warp scramblers.

Feel free to tell me how this is a horrible idea. I'm not married to it.


The actual game that plays out most days is that 5 ratters and 5 miners are in a system and nobody is on the camp, and there are no defensive scouts and the recon lands on an anomoly, the cyno goes up and which ever preferred fleet type is cynoed in and the ratting ship or mining fleet explodes.

For that, (defensive failure), it doesn't matter if a theoretical recon had a theoretical nullifier.

If however the corp is large, organised and has players covering the camp during peak ratting TZ, then you would hope that the game mechanics do give them a realistic chance of denying a recon at the gate, and forcing the opponent to dedicate more effort time and risk to insertion. IMO a nullifier-recon is just too likely to get through against a defence, and therefore its not particularly balanced, as in you can run into every occupied ratting hole in a region in 15 minutes and be sure to get onto targets.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#15 - 2013-09-17 03:37:19 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Because T3s are hybridized versions of sleeper tech, and sleepers don't give a **** about bubbles.



This. T3s are canibalized tech from races that makes the Jove look like kittens. Why it only comes in cruiser form, I don't know. But "Sleepers don't give a ****" is the right answer.

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Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#16 - 2013-09-17 03:40:39 UTC
Because T3s haven't been rebalanced yet.

Katrina Oniseki
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#17 - 2013-09-17 05:03:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Gogela
Blockade runners in lowsec and cloaky nullified T3s in anywhere are absolutely uncatchable if the pilot knows the basics. That's just a fact. I think that kind of game play should have a counter. Give us decloaking pulse generators CCP. You know what I'm talking about...

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#18 - 2013-09-17 07:23:15 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Blockade runners in lowsec and cloaky nullified T3s in anywhere are absolutely uncatchable if the pilot knows the basics. That's just a fact. I think that kind of game play should have a counter. Give us decloaking pulse generators CCP. You know what I'm talking about...


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Solaris Ecladia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2013-09-17 13:29:12 UTC
my battleship ignores 30 long points and bubbles at the same time.

can your T3 do that?
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2013-09-17 15:12:25 UTC
Solaris Ecladia wrote:
my battleship ignores 30 long points and bubbles at the same time.

can your T3 do that?



My Legion doesn't know what this "point" you speak of is.

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