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In the Lore, How Much Would a Single ISK be Worth?

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Large Collidable Object
morons.
#21 - 2011-10-30 17:25:48 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Large Collidable Object wrote:
Since we don't have spaceships IRL for a comparison, I'd pick some basic every day item for comparison.

A pair of boots costs ~20 mill isk. Assuming the same boots would cost 200 $ IRL, 100 000 isk would be one dollar.

A Space-McD employee would make a million an hour.

So if they'd sell Space Cruisers at Wall Mart, it would be around 50 bucks.

Quite reasonable, actually.


That would mean 2 dollars would buy you a Rifter which is equivalent to a Boeing 747.



I bet the 99% would love that.
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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#22 - 2011-10-30 17:32:29 UTC
So comparing the price of a Rifter to the price of a Boeing 747(they are close in size) it comes out to roughly 1isk=$1520 USD.

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Alara IonStorm
#23 - 2011-10-30 17:34:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Renan Ruivo wrote:

No.

I want to know in what pipedream you believe that:

1. Mining Barge can mine all the required minerals for a dread i one day

Mining 24/7 ABC ORE in a Covetor or Hulk, I don't know the numbers because I do not Mine but I doubt it would take much longer then a few days. I have not really kept up with Mining. Is it still 20 Million an Hour Max Skill with ABC?

Renan Ruivo wrote:

2. Dreadnought can be built in one hour.


Really, i almost fell out of my chair..

Building a dread takes well over two weeks. Mining the minerals for it with one mining barge... hehe.. i hope that barge is subbed for at least two months.

Duh, Assembly Line. Is there only one Dreadnaught being built at this station. I don't know exactly how many Factory slots a Station has but they can build an incredible ship in a short amount.

You did not think I was talking about one ship did you?
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#24 - 2011-10-30 17:39:17 UTC
In one mission (can't remember which it was 3 years ago) it was said that a few hundred thousand isk was more than the GDP of a planetary government.

Then again, that could have been a poor planet.
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#25 - 2011-10-30 17:39:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Henry Haphorn
Alara IonStorm wrote:
SilentSkills wrote:
1 isk is probably worth several times more than 1 dollar.

Average Dreadnaught costs 1 billion isk ish. A submarine costs about 1 bil usd. Now extrapolate sizes, technology, weaponry, and compare.

You can not compare an Attack Sub to a Dreadnaught Build Cost.

* Minerals in EVE are Vacuumed out of Space at an incredible rate.
* The Minerals used to make the Sub need to be collected and transported over months, 1 Mining Barge can collect enough to build a Dread in less then a day.
* Nano Tech and Assembly Lines can Pump out Dreadnoughts every hour.
* It is possible that not many people are involved in building a Dread because of Automation.
* Since Dreads are run off an Assembly Line they will not need custom parts that have to be specially assembled instead of made on a production line.

It could possibly be cheaper to build that 3 KM Dreadnought then the 90m Sub.


Actually, we technically can. Think about it.

Dreadnaught costs 1 billion isk

submarine costs about 1 bil usd

Note that SilentSkills said that if you take into account size, technology, and weaponry, then this will mean that it will take several or more earth made submarines to be able to equal the cost of just a single Dreadnought should USD be converted to ISK. So, 1 ISK = a boatload of USD.

The same can be said for a Rifter in New Eden and a 747 Jumbo Jet here on Earth. They are both the same size and perhaps the same weight, but the level of technology between the two and weaponry will mean that it will cost several or more 747 Jumbo Jets to equal the production costs of just one Rifter (and this is comparing to a T1 frigate).

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Calapine
Xeno Tech Corp
#26 - 2011-10-30 17:42:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Calapine
Considering I payed € 29.95 for a knee-length tartan skirt at H&M and 300 million ISK for Women's 'Structure' Skirt in Jita I'd say an ISK equals about 0.0000099833 euro cent.

Cala

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Alara IonStorm
#27 - 2011-10-30 17:46:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Henry Haphorn wrote:


Note that SilentSkills said] that if you take into account size, technology, and weaponry, then this will mean that it will take several or more earth made submarines to be able to equal the cost of just a single Dreadnought should USD be converted to ISK. So, 1 ISK = a boatload of USD.

And as I showed that could be completely mistaken and that Sub could be more expensive then the Dreadnaught.

Henry Haphorn wrote:

The same can be said for a Rifter in New Eden and a 747 Jumbo Jet here on Earth. They are both the same size and perhaps the same weight, but the level of technology between the two and weaponry will mean that it will cost several or more 747 Jumbo Jets to equal the production costs of just one Rifter (and this is comparing to a T1 frigate).

Says who.

Production on Earth does not have Nanobots that put ships together. Earth also can not Vacumm 8000m3 of Metal out of a Rock in 15min. A Rifter could cost 1/10th as much as a 747 to produce.

Henry Haphorn wrote:

Actually, we technically can. Think about it.

I did, conclusion you can not.
Drifterin Thedark
#28 - 2011-10-30 17:46:31 UTC
About tree fiddy.
Renan Ruivo
Hengetools Consumer Products S.A.
#29 - 2011-10-30 17:46:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Renan Ruivo
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:


No.

I want to know in what pipedream you believe that:

1. Mining Barge can mine all the required minerals for a dread i one day

Mining 24/7 ABC ORE in a Covetor or Hulk, I don't know the numbers because I do not Mine but I doubt it would take much longer then a day or 2.

Renan Ruivo wrote:

2. Dreadnought can be built in one hour.


Really, i almost fell out of my chair..

Building a dread takes well over two weeks. Mining the minerals for it with one mining barge... hehe.. i hope that barge is subbed for at least two months.

Duh, Assembly Line. Is there only one Dreadnaught being built at this station. I don't know exactly how many Factory slots a Station has but they can build an incredible ship in a short amount.

You did not think I was talking about one ship did you?


Mining for a dreadnought takes a hell of a lot longer than 2 days if you're using only one ship. If you don't know the numbers please stop guessing.

And a dreadnought is built in two parts: The components and the ship itself.

A revelation takes 12 components and the build time for each is more or less 4 hours. If you could dedicate 12 assembly lines to building one each all at the same time, you would have the components built in less than a day.

BUT, the ship itself takes 2 weeks to build. You cannot dedicate separate assembly lines to assemble one unit. Its like trying to build a car in two separate lines. You can't cut the chassis in half, build on them and connect the two later.


And another thing.. if all you mine is ABC ore than it will take you a hell of a lot LONGER to build the dread than if you knew what you were supposed to be mining.


So again, if you don't know how its done stop taking guesses however educated you think they might be Blink

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Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
SE7EN-SINS
#30 - 2011-10-30 17:48:42 UTC
ISK are used in place of the various planetary and national currencies to knock zeroes off the end of transactions. The average office worker would be lucky if he makes a couple of ISK a year.

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Amro One
One.
#31 - 2011-10-30 17:54:45 UTC
Adunh Slavy
#32 - 2011-10-30 17:58:06 UTC
Compare NPC trade goods to real world items. Dairy Products, Wheat, Frozen food? The base prices of these items has been the same for years.

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Alara IonStorm
#33 - 2011-10-30 17:59:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Renan Ruivo wrote:

And a dreadnought is built in two parts: The components and the ship itself.

A revelation takes 12 components and the build time for each is more or less 4 hours. If you could dedicate 12 assembly lines to building one each all at the same time, you would have the components built in less than a day.

BUT, the ship itself takes 2 weeks to build. You cannot dedicate separate assembly lines to assemble one unit. Its like trying to build a car in two separate lines. You can't cut the chassis in half, build on them and connect the two later.

I see, so what you are saying is that if you ran all the production lines with equal space apart with components made in other Stations you will get closer to that 1 Dread an Hour Mark. But I would need a lot of POS's to pick up the slack.

1 Dread an Hour, Challenge Accepted.

Can anyone lone me 300 Billion in Start Up Cost.

Edit: this is getting boring, yes I looked up Dread Construction before my first post here it is.
Alara IonStorm wrote:

* Nano Tech and Assembly Lines can Pump out Dreadnoughts every hour.

I gave no mention to individual build time. Just that they are produced on assembly lines on a massive scale.
Renan Ruivo
Hengetools Consumer Products S.A.
#34 - 2011-10-30 18:01:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Renan Ruivo
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:

And a dreadnought is built in two parts: The components and the ship itself.

A revelation takes 12 components and the build time for each is more or less 4 hours. If you could dedicate 12 assembly lines to building one each all at the same time, you would have the components built in less than a day.

BUT, the ship itself takes 2 weeks to build. You cannot dedicate separate assembly lines to assemble one unit. Its like trying to build a car in two separate lines. You can't cut the chassis in half, build on them and connect the two later.

I see, so what you are saying is that if you ran all the production lines with equal space apart with components made in other Stations you will get closer to that 1 Dread an Hour Mark. But I would need a lot of POS's to pick up the slack.

1 Dread an Hour, Challenge Accepted.

Can anyone lone me 300 Billion in Start Up Cost.


You cannot build a dread in one hour.

Its not a challenge, its a fact. Dread BPO is 2 weeks manufacturing time.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.

Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#35 - 2011-10-30 18:05:54 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:

And a dreadnought is built in two parts: The components and the ship itself.

A revelation takes 12 components and the build time for each is more or less 4 hours. If you could dedicate 12 assembly lines to building one each all at the same time, you would have the components built in less than a day.

BUT, the ship itself takes 2 weeks to build. You cannot dedicate separate assembly lines to assemble one unit. Its like trying to build a car in two separate lines. You can't cut the chassis in half, build on them and connect the two later.

I see, so what you are saying is that if you ran all the production lines with equal space apart with components made in other Stations you will get closer to that 1 Dread an Hour Mark. But I would need a lot of POS's to pick up the slack.

1 Dread an Hour, Challenge Accepted.

Can anyone lone me 300 Billion in Start Up Cost.

It is impossible to get a Dread in less than 2 weeks. it takes longer than that to construct (after having all the parts and ore).
Alara IonStorm
#36 - 2011-10-30 18:09:13 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:

You cannot build a dread in one hour.

Its not a challenge, its a fact. Dread BPO is 2 weeks manufacturing time.

I never said build a Dread in one hour but produce one an Hour. If you start one every hour hour eventually they will be produced every hour which is what my original post was referring to and the subsequent ones poking fun at.

Every Hour Dreadnaughts are being made, you do not see that in the real world like with Submarines. It's mass production I was speaking to not build time.
Verone
Veto Corp
#37 - 2011-10-30 18:12:45 UTC

An old piece of PF roughly explained the value of ISK, if I can find it again I'll link it here when I do.

Basically, the example was simple.

When shuttles were pegged at 10k and produced by NPCs (to peg the price of Tritanuim and keep the economy stable) there was a piece of PF which stated that the value of a single shuttle, that we paid 10k for, is enough when converted to regular currency to allow a family to live in the lap of luxury for several generations.

Basically the ISK (Interstellar Kredit) isn't really a normal currency as such. It's a trading currency, kind of an index to measure wealth on a vast scale, like we use gold or oil today to gauge a country's wealth.

The ISK is basically monetised to allow huge corporations and insanely wealthy capsuleers to deal with smaller numbers when trading, to simplify transactions rather than having to deal in quintillions of units of planetside currencies.

It really is pointless to compare a piece of military hardware today, such as a Submarine or a Battleship to the cost of a Dreadnought or Carrier in Eve. There aren't even fundamental similarities in the costs associated with construction and manning them.

Hope this helps Smile


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David Grogan
NerdHerd
#38 - 2011-10-30 18:14:16 UTC  |  Edited by: David Grogan
XE Money Converter

1 ISK = 0.00886 USD
1 USD - 112.910 ISK

1 ISK = 0.00627 EUR
1 EUR = 159.603 ISK

1 ISK = 0.00549 GBP
1 GBP = 181.993 ISK

1 ISK = 0.00828 AUD
1 AUD = 120.836 ISK

I hope that helps

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Phyress
Isumi Industries
#39 - 2011-10-30 18:16:16 UTC
Why are there all these nonsensical submarine/EVE-dreadnaught analogies? They have a whole two things in common: They shoot things, and the fact that letting the atmosphere out of the hull is bad.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#40 - 2011-10-30 18:17:05 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:

And a dreadnought is built in two parts: The components and the ship itself.

A revelation takes 12 components and the build time for each is more or less 4 hours. If you could dedicate 12 assembly lines to building one each all at the same time, you would have the components built in less than a day.

BUT, the ship itself takes 2 weeks to build. You cannot dedicate separate assembly lines to assemble one unit. Its like trying to build a car in two separate lines. You can't cut the chassis in half, build on them and connect the two later.

I see, so what you are saying is that if you ran all the production lines with equal space apart with components made in other Stations you will get closer to that 1 Dread an Hour Mark. But I would need a lot of POS's to pick up the slack.

1 Dread an Hour, Challenge Accepted.

Can anyone lone me 300 Billion in Start Up Cost.

It is impossible to get a Dread in less than 2 weeks. it takes longer than that to construct (after having all the parts and ore).


Shortest time Ive been able to get is 7d 9h without going crazy on the PE. Thats just the ship alone.

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