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Still no Orca Love
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dreadshane
Hell or HiWater
#1 - 2013-09-15 17:30:41 UTC
All these new industial ship configurations, still nothing for the Orca.

Must I say it again, The ore bay should be the size of a Capital ship that it is.
Dave Stark
#2 - 2013-09-15 17:35:01 UTC
the orca is already better than the t1 industrials, what exactly do you want?
Gianath
Gallentian Legitimate Businessmen
#3 - 2013-09-15 18:12:38 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
the orca is already better than the t1 industrials, what exactly do you want?


I'll chime in.

#1 - The Orca's ore bay is only 50k versus a Mackinaw's 35. And an Orca is 68 times larger than a Mackinaw by volume. Yes, I know you can outfit the orca for additional cargo, but why even bother having an ore hold at all if you don't have a specialize bay that will even support two mining ships? Either the mining bay should be larger to account for the mining barge changes, or done away with entirely and just added to regular cargo space.

#2 - The Orca can only fit two mining barges inside unless you repackage and store them. It really needs an extra 50k of storage so it can carry an actual mining fleet.

Everything else about the Orca I love and don't think it needs updating.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#4 - 2013-09-15 18:33:10 UTC
Gianath wrote:
#1 ... Either the mining bay should be larger to account for the mining barge changes, or done away with entirely and just added to regular cargo space.

Well, it won't be the cargohold, but that seems like a reasonable argument to me for a larger ore hold.

Gianath wrote:
#2 - The Orca can only fit two mining barges inside unless you repackage and store them. It really needs an extra 50k of storage so it can carry an actual mining fleet.

Given past CCP remarks, I don't think this will happen, but if it did I suspect the Orca would lose its ability to be a general ship hauler, and only be able to cary industrials like the Rorqual.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-09-16 03:38:01 UTC
dreadshane wrote:
All these new industial ship configurations, still nothing for the Orca.

Must I say it again, The ore bay should be the size of a Capital ship that it is.


Orca is performing as intended. The barges and exhumers it supports are performing as intended. The resource redistribution is performing as intended.

And it's all very dull and predictable and the economy is looking lethargic at times... which is to say, again, we need some NEW earth-shaking content from CCP because this summer was pretty damn boring compared to other summers.

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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#6 - 2013-09-16 04:17:02 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
the orca is already better than the t1 industrials, what exactly do you want?


Personally, I'd just like CCP to take a look at it, some time next year. Think it over. If they conclude that it's fine as it is, then that'd be okay with me. But every ship, that hasn't already got one, deserves a re-think.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-09-16 12:10:56 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
the orca is already better than the t1 industrials, what exactly do you want?


Except that it's not when it comes to Ore bay size.. The Miasmos can get an ore capacity of 68,000m3.
Rengerel en Distel
#8 - 2013-09-16 13:43:26 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
the orca is already better than the t1 industrials, what exactly do you want?


Except that it's not when it comes to Ore bay size.. The Miasmos can get an ore capacity of 68,000m3.


And what's the orca get with ore hold, cargo bay and fleet hangar? I'm guessing > 68k m3.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#9 - 2013-09-16 14:15:53 UTC
Gianath wrote:


#2 - The Orca can only fit two mining barges inside unless you repackage and store them. It really needs an extra 50k of storage so it can carry an actual mining fleet.



Bad idea. This would allow transport of unpackaged Battleships which is exactly why it is the size it currently is....and should stay.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#10 - 2013-09-16 14:18:02 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
the orca is already better than the t1 industrials, what exactly do you want?


Except that it's not when it comes to Ore bay size.. The Miasmos can get an ore capacity of 68,000m3.


And what's the orca get with ore hold, cargo bay and fleet hangar? I'm guessing > 68k m3.




Cargo Bay can vary with Expanders, but mine has total 144,000 m3.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Emily Anasarsy
Reverse Engineering LTD
#11 - 2013-09-16 14:29:40 UTC
Gianath wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
the orca is already better than the t1 industrials, what exactly do you want?


I'll chime in.

#1 - The Orca's ore bay is only 50k versus a Mackinaw's 35. And an Orca is 68 times larger than a Mackinaw by volume. Yes, I know you can outfit the orca for additional cargo, but why even bother having an ore hold at all if you don't have a specialize bay that will even support two mining ships? Either the mining bay should be larger to account for the mining barge changes, or done away with entirely and just added to regular cargo space.

#2 - The Orca can only fit two mining barges inside unless you repackage and store them. It really needs an extra 50k of storage so it can carry an actual mining fleet.

Everything else about the Orca I love and don't think it needs updating.


The Orca may be 68 times larger than a Mack, so logic says the ore bay should be larger.
But your forgetting the orca is not just a ore bay.

It is:

Ore Bay
Cargo Hold
Ship Hanger
Fleet Storage

All this requires space, so unless you want to decrease the size of any of these spaces you wont fit much else in the mass of a orca.
Considering the ore bay only holds unrefined ore, if you were to decrease the cargo bay to increase the ore bay. How do you propose you transport refined minerals, they sure as hell wont go back in that ore bay you just demanded an increase of.

I am happy with how it is, filling the fleet bay, ore bay and cargo bay is more than enough for me before I go unload top up my drink and head out again.
Dave Stark
#12 - 2013-09-16 17:27:24 UTC
Gianath wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
the orca is already better than the t1 industrials, what exactly do you want?


I'll chime in.

#1 - The Orca's ore bay is only 50k versus a Mackinaw's 35. And an Orca is 68 times larger than a Mackinaw by volume. Yes, I know you can outfit the orca for additional cargo, but why even bother having an ore hold at all if you don't have a specialize bay that will even support two mining ships? Either the mining bay should be larger to account for the mining barge changes, or done away with entirely and just added to regular cargo space.

#2 - The Orca can only fit two mining barges inside unless you repackage and store them. It really needs an extra 50k of storage so it can carry an actual mining fleet.

Everything else about the Orca I love and don't think it needs updating.


#1
the orca also has a 40k fleet hangar, an i can't remember how large cargo bay and 400 (four hundred)k ship bay.

for ore alone the orca can have roughly four times the ore capacity of the mackinaw. that's great. besides, if you have an orca why the **** are you in a mackinaw? this is what the hulk is for.

#2
depends on the barge, i can get 4 skiffs in an orca.
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-09-16 18:49:15 UTC
If you're going to give love to an industrial, the Rorqual needs some work. The Fleet hanger is far too small. The ore hold should be open for fleet access (OK, if it is already I can't find the option).
Dave Stark
#14 - 2013-09-16 19:29:32 UTC
Victoria Sin wrote:
If you're going to give love to an industrial, the Rorqual needs some work. The Fleet hanger is far too small. The ore hold should be open for fleet access (OK, if it is already I can't find the option).


ore bays aren't open to the fleet, afaik. generally it's up to the rorq pilot to drag it from the fleet hangar to the ore bay.

not like the rorq pilot has much else to do other than run compression jobs...
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#15 - 2013-09-16 19:41:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Victoria Sin wrote:
If you're going to give love to an industrial, the Rorqual needs some work. The Fleet hanger is far too small. The ore hold should be open for fleet access (OK, if it is already I can't find the option).

Only the corp fleet hangar is accessible. Same for Orca and Rorqual (and any ship with a corp fleet hangar).

Corp Hangars on ships and You
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-09-16 20:07:35 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Victoria Sin wrote:
If you're going to give love to an industrial, the Rorqual needs some work. The Fleet hanger is far too small. The ore hold should be open for fleet access (OK, if it is already I can't find the option).


ore bays aren't open to the fleet, afaik. generally it's up to the rorq pilot to drag it from the fleet hangar to the ore bay.

not like the rorq pilot has much else to do other than run compression jobs...


Except he can't fit a full Mackinaw worth into his bay.
Cap James Tkirk
Baba Yagas
The Initiative.
#17 - 2013-09-16 20:57:20 UTC
Victoria Sin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Victoria Sin wrote:
If you're going to give love to an industrial, the Rorqual needs some work. The Fleet hanger is far too small. The ore hold should be open for fleet access (OK, if it is already I can't find the option).


ore bays aren't open to the fleet, afaik. generally it's up to the rorq pilot to drag it from the fleet hangar to the ore bay.

not like the rorq pilot has much else to do other than run compression jobs...


Except he can't fit a full Mackinaw worth into his bay.



but if your mining in a mack its easier to dock or go to POS and dump the ore you really dont need the orca for hauling since Macks are meant to do it themselves
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#18 - 2013-09-16 22:50:54 UTC
Cap James Tkirk wrote:
but if your mining in a mack its easier to dock or go to POS and dump the ore you really dont need the orca for hauling since Macks are meant to do it themselves

Or you drop a jetcan and let an Orca or Miasmos (or even Noctis + freighter) worry about it.
Kelmurdoch
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
OnlyFleets.
#19 - 2013-09-17 12:41:47 UTC
Outside of boosting in high sec the Orca was rendered useless with the new Industrials just released.

Increase its ore hold to comparable with the Rorqual and it becomes worth dealing with, again. And/or give it mineral and PI bays.

But the real red-headed stepchild of industrial ships are the Deep Space Transports. Those things are completely outclassed now.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#20 - 2013-09-17 12:46:20 UTC
Victoria Sin wrote:
The ore hold should be open for fleet access (OK, if it is already I can't find the option).



Even before the change, Fleet members could only dump ore into the same place. It was called the Corp Hangar.

They just made it scannable and changed the name to Fleet Hangar.

Why would Fleet members need a 2nd place to put ore on the same ship ?

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
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