EVE General Discussion

We are. Every time you guys put up that wall, it becomes easier to break down, and every time, more people learn the options and tools they have at their disposal to get out of their self-imposed victimhood.

Empowering other players to actually understand and play the game is always fun.

Yes.

Just look at the amount of people who have no clue about how CONCORD works, how CrimeWatch works, how to fit their ships, how warping works, how security status works, how to set up their overviews, how to use local, how to use agents, how to use their fellow players, how to employ force multipliers, or how to assess or counter their opposition.

Now look at who keeps providing that information — willingly and in abundance — to their intended targets.

The person who taught me about how insurance worked was the same person who mere minutes before had ganked my ratting, mixed guns hurricane in my first month of playing the game.

The first person to ever teach me about insta warps was a ganker I saw escape my attempt to scram him as he came out of a station.

I've learned a lot from gankers. About all variety of things.

I assume you can back that statement up with data, or are you just demonstrating special pleading for our benefit?


I'm a miner (on my other account) and have been since 2005. Never once have been ganked, never once have I thought gankers choice of game style is "childish". Its just a legitimate as mine, just different.

I think not taking precautions to ensure I don’t get ganked is childish mind you, whining about it on the forums after doubly so.

You have the cause and effect backwards.

What miners often "self-impose" is solitude. The "victimhood" is thrust onto them from gankers. Ergo, no ganking = much less whining.

And using the phrase "empowering" may be the single most condescending and/or patronizing choice of words, ever.

Hyperbole...share it whenever you can.

The “Victimhood” is entirely self-inflicted. The same tools are there for every single player in the game. If people choose (that’s an important word here) to not defend themselves, to sit in a belt afk in a 200mill isk ship, to not tank their ships, to not watch Dscan or not watch local, well, that’s their call.

They forgo thier right to complain if the make no attempt to defend themselves.

But they do have the right to express incredulity in the aftermath of an utterly pointless game activity. It has nothing to do with the actual gameplay but is solely justified with metagame reasoning. Ganking will do zip to change the game environment.

It is nothing more than childish bullying in an aptly named "sandbox."

I read the forums....and here, it's the gankers with the whine meter pegged at "shut the hell up."

Every bit of that is simply justification to bully a select group of players. There is nothing in the ToS, EULA, or subscription status, that states every player must learn and utilize every single aspect of the game. Nothing.

Really? Maybe it's just early and you need some more coffee or something.

No. Every bit of that is an explanation of how their choices are what turns them into victims and how choosing otherwise — even ever so slightly — is all that's needed to get out of that state. Hell, it doesn't even require any change of methodology to make that transition. Just keep doing what you've always done the way you've always done it, and simply add ship loss in the expense column as a cost of doing business alongside mining crystals. A shrug of the shoulders is all it takes, and *bam* — victimhood is turned into business management.

It also explains why I choose the word “empowerment”: because the gankers are very generously opening their eyes to the many choices they have at their disposal, should it be the case that they simply didn't know better.

…and no-one is suggesting anything of the kind either.

Yes, really. Ganking is a means of making money. Be it through protection schemes, market manipulation, looting and salvaging or whathaveyou. If this is so pointless, then why are the miners out in the belts to begin with? What is it that makes them venture out into a potential combat zone, if not money?