Player Features and Ideas Discussion

We already have tools to stop bumping being a big issue. We should use them.

well. it's really difficult to bump without MWD i guess

so nope. bumping INVOLVES modules, at least 1 (possibly oversized) MWD.

Its not the bumping per say that is anoying, its the fact that tiny objects can bump massive ones... simpest solotion IF there are to be a change, then id suggest something like this, you cant bump if you have less mass then the craft you fly into, if you have more mass you can bump a craft with less mass, and crafts off less mass is "generally" faster then ships with more mass... so that sort of fix "bumping", IF there is a need to "fix" things

I'm just going to point to what Fey Ivory said.

(oh and this is not my main. I know we anchor + F1. )

So if I throw a small rock at a stationary rock three times bigger in space the big rock is not going to move?

"However, persistent targeting of a player with bumping by following them around after they have made an effort to move on to another location can be classified as harassment, and this will be judged on a case by case basis."
...and that's actually all one should have to say about that.

Or don't follow them to another belt... or even 10 km on the same grid... all's relative.

...but the definition of "bumping as a form of harassment" wasn't really the subject here to begin with.

None, it's just water and salt.

That said, did You ever take a good mouthfull of ocean water? Way too salty.

But I hear it can be good for your skin.

Does that mean you can recognize pirate players from their baby smooth skin? Possibly, but who ever knows.

Given the difficulty of coding for intent (look at any game with a "karma" system to see the futility of even starting) one could (perhaps) code for result?
Perhaps something along the lines of: If five (seems like a reasonable starting number) collisions occur between two entities on the same grid without either entity undergoing a session change both entities are rendered insubstantial (and therefore if caught up in a bait ball around 4-4 undock can warp out) until they undertake a session change.
Perhaps (if it works for Bastion) give both parties a weapons flag (without suspect) to prevent jumping or docking (which a freighter trying to warp to the next gate is unlikely to notice given how slow they warp).

Of course that still leaves the bumpers the option of bumping four times and then warping off - but that's a much clearer indication of intent than otherwise...

Perhaps you could then talk in terms of a ship which collides with another a number of times, undergoes a session change and then collides with the same ship (that second ship not having undergone a session change) in the same grid (or pocket grid) - perhaps you deal with it in much the way others are suggesting, a criminal flag and weapons timer...etc.
Or perhaps like the dual Vindi-webs scrambler (where dual Vindi-webs make it impossible for a ship to warp, dock...etc) it is simply declared an exploit and relies on the Petition system. Perhaps, given that the target of a bump is often accelerated to speeds vastly in excess of their ship's capability, the same logic as the Vindi-web scrambler applies...

In effect what is really being discussed here is this clause
"CCP considers the act of bumping a normal game mechanic, and does not class the bumping of another player’s ship as an exploit. However, persistent targeting of a player with bumping by following them around after they have made an effort to move on to another location can be classified as harassment, and this will be judged on a case by case basis."

The problem here are the words "an effort". Too imprecise. Should state a time - that can be proved somehow. A bumping timer when conditions are met maybe?