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Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#21 - 2013-09-15 21:22:49 UTC
Etienne Saissore wrote:
There is no need to apologize, you are presenting a valid question which is undoubtedly interesting for a many viewers.

Our company invests in the safety and wellness of the livestock in our care. To make sure that our products provide the highest quality experience possible, it is most practical to let the bodily functions of the living organism to be controlled by a brain - a practice which is also common in the medical cloning business.

We are nurturing the animals with feedstuffs until they reach a certain weight, and then sell them either directly to the consumers, or to the representatives of the further processing sector. As you say, an outstanding example of this sector is the dairy industry.


I understand, thank you. I hope that your sales contracts include guarantors for the treatment and well-being of your charges!
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#22 - 2013-09-15 21:29:56 UTC
Ailer Stane wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
A cow? You are growing a living, thinking, intelligent being, nurturing it from a fetus to adulthood... and then you are killing it, dissecting it and eating it? When you have the option of growing the nutritional components independent of its brain?

I don't think I even want to ask why. I don't think that a generous, or sane, answer even exists.

Edit: I have of course jumped to conclusions, I apologise. Cows make milk. They are contributing by making milk. I'm sure that's it. Again, my apologies for the spurious accusation.

It is indeed a cow. But a very special variety of cow. A cow designed to be robust in a variety of environments yet.... well for lack of a better term tasty. The respect for life you show regarding livestock is confusing. Are you simply opposed to killing or rather eating the things you kill? Crews, cows, what have you.


To my limited understanding, sir, the object of morailty is a concern for those who think and feel - those who are capable of understanding affection and suffering, and who are arguably conscious. Cows, crews, what have you, all share very similar neuromorphologies - most mammals do, in fact. If we wish consistency, we have to consider them as well.
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#23 - 2013-09-16 03:45:05 UTC
If you should ever come by the Hanaya holdings, I'll treat you to some dancing squid.

My clan has been supplying the Kingdom with seafood for centuries now. Fish, mussels, eel, squid, shark, and crab are harvested throughout my home planet. Besides, it's not just the protein; a fish is a package of proteins, vitamins, and essential fatty acids. It's rich in alcium and phosphorus and a good source of minerals.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#24 - 2013-09-16 19:16:03 UTC
Scherezad wrote:


To my limited understanding, sir, the object of morailty is a concern for those who think and feel - those who are capable of understanding affection and suffering, and who are arguably conscious. Cows, crews, what have you, all share very similar neuromorphologies - most mammals do, in fact. If we wish consistency, we have to consider them as well.


And yet Blood Raiders do not attack ranches or feed lots; the Nation doesn't abduct horses or dogs; the Amarr faith doesn't prescribe the methods of worship and redemption to be enjoyed by cats. This implies that there is a qualitative difference in the consciousness of different organisms.

Though, to think of it, I suspect Silas Vitalia will applaud you for likening baseliners to cattle.

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Etienne Saissore
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-09-16 20:21:03 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Have you considered cybernetically augmenting cows so they could produce higher quality milk?

Excellent question. Why is livestock still being farmed when there is genetically engineered livestock is available? Why do we resort to breeding when it is possible to directly manipulate the inheritance? Why isn't the limit between possible and impossible pushed forward faster with cybernetic augmentation?

One of the major reasons is the availability and cost of the lab slots in high-sec. Most of them seem to be occupied all the time with blueprints which seem to be researched far beyond their optimal material efficiency. If there were more science and research installations, the potential of the enhancement technology would probably be rejected only by the most hard-core preservers of the traditional ways.

So as an answer to your question, yes we are very interested in genetic manipulation and cybernetics, as these methods support our mission to satisfy our customers with the highest forms of quality.
Etienne Saissore
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-09-16 21:32:48 UTC
Narcisa De Fontaine wrote:
Oh come on, this is the oldest dance in the cluster. You can keep your vat farmed protein, I want food with character. if I have to lamp a cow over the head with a rock a few times to enjoy the real thing then - dammit - I will.

I'll stop eating animals when they stop tasting so good. Thank you Etienne, for doing your part to make sure we won't run out.

Thanks for the mental image and kind words! We appreciate the encouragement and will try to live up to it.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#27 - 2013-09-16 22:41:36 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
And yet Blood Raiders do not attack ranches or feed lots; the Nation doesn't abduct horses or dogs; the Amarr faith doesn't prescribe the methods of worship and redemption to be enjoyed by cats. This implies that there is a qualitative difference in the consciousness of different organisms.

Though, to think of it, I suspect Silas Vitalia will applaud you for likening baseliners to cattle.
No, ma'am. The above implication is that humans perceive a qualitative difference in the consciousness of different organisms, not that there is in fact one. This is a matter of convenience (see: animals are tasty), and a matter of assertion (see: humans prefer to believe themselves better than others when evidence is scarce). We have no good reason for believing there to be qualitative differences in the ethically important areas of consciousness between ourselves and higher mammals. At least, none that I am aware of!

I suspect that Lady Vitalia will abhor the idea that there are no appreciable qualitative differences in consciousness between humans and cattle. We Capsuleers have human minds, after all. It is less about denigrating our own consciousness moreso than elevating that of other thinking beings, though.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#28 - 2013-09-17 00:53:52 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
A cow? You are growing a living, thinking, intelligent being, nurturing it from a fetus to adulthood... and then you are killing it, dissecting it and eating it? When you have the option of growing the nutritional components independent of its brain?


Eating the flesh of a living creature is never more meaningful than when you have slaughtered the animal yourself; doubly so if you have taken it as quarry in a hunt, or raised the animal from birth. It shows a great measure of respect to a living thing that you deem it worthy to take sustenance from it. Who ever respected a vat of raw protein?
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#29 - 2013-09-17 01:38:34 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
A cow? You are growing a living, thinking, intelligent being, nurturing it from a fetus to adulthood... and then you are killing it, dissecting it and eating it? When you have the option of growing the nutritional components independent of its brain?


Eating the flesh of a living creature is never more meaningful than when you have slaughtered the animal yourself; doubly so if you have taken it as quarry in a hunt, or raised the animal from birth. It shows a great measure of respect to a living thing that you deem it worthy to take sustenance from it. Who ever respected a vat of raw protein?


I hope to never earn your respect, ma'am.
Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-09-17 17:04:41 UTC
I, for one, am looking forward to trying out some of your beef and comparing it to the beef I normally cook.

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