Warfare & Tactics

Hi all,
I am the ceo of a small corp based out of hisec, mostly new people in the corp with a couple of 0.0 veterans, myself being old school I was taught to pvp in t1 ships, if you want to fly a falcon first learn how to fly a blackbird, if you want assault ships start with frigates etc, I am becoming very jaded with 0.0/lowsec pvp, rare is the good fight, the balanced encounter. skills seems secondary to quantity.

Some of the most fun I had was in RVB, so called civilized combat, a fleet goes out from either side, equal numbers you meet up blow things apart and even talk tactics afterwards.

I crave that kind of fun again pvp for the pure fun of a good fight, win or loose it is all fun.

So this is what I am asking.
Is there and small to medium hisec corp/corps who would like to have a mutual wardec with us, a few simple rules that may seem out of place but can lead to alot of fights and long term fun.
1)We do not want your asteroid humpers, basically we will not engage your miners or your members while they are doing money making activities.
2)We do not need neut RR, simply put we fight each other without external help.
3)Balanced fleets and fun, be it a 1v1 or 5v5 try to balance it so that we do not bring 5 and you bring 10
4)joint channel, setup a joint channel to setup fight locations and or discuss tactics etc afterwards.

The spirit of this is having fun in a game learning and practicing skills for the pure fun of blowing each other up on a common battlefield.

What if someone breaks the rules ?
Well for one fight where you may win via numbers or underhanded tactics we drop the WD and go on our way, you loose months of fun dogfights and pvp, time spent basically learning and enjoying this side of eve without all the blobfest and trash that has started to fill eve pvp.

Myself, (Quebber formerly Rho Legate) I have never broken my word and the same goes for my corp.

So am I crazy or would anyone be interested in this ?

Our corp eom is an ideal and a home most of us do not want to join another corp to do this sadly.

If they are please ask them to evemail me :)

The problem with this idea is that you don't fight at your fullest ability if you don't think of the other guy as a true enemy.

If you're just doing it for training purposes, that's fine. But getting accustomed to even fights is bad in the long term. You will only become "better" by both being subjected to unfair tactics, and using them against others.

Every fight be it 1v1 or FCing a large fleet I have always fought to my fullest ideas and ability, hell even when I fight my own corp mates I hold nothing back.

I have this crazy idea that using neutral RR or outblobing a foe does not make you a good pvper, I am sad to say that 90% of the people in 0.0 these days are just basic training grunts, yes they have the char skills to fly ships but most do not even know how to make an undock or tacticals and deep safes, I used to get into quite heated verbal wars with my alliance FC because the tactics he used in battle assumed the lowest common denominator of intelligence but am beginning to understand why.

Personally I was taught by Agony Unleashed and those lessons still stay with me, that and alot of crashing my ship into fun things.

After that I joined RVB (old char I sold) and it was so damn refreshing not only that 1v1's were honored but that entire fleet fights could be setup and afterwards fits exchanged and tactics discussed, so much was learnt that the next three 0.0 pvp corps I joined I topped there kill boards it in no way detracted from my ability to use underhand tactics and or psyops in combat.

It is also kind of sad to say that maybe pvp in eve is not for me seen as I have been pvping in eve for over 3 years been involved in everything from solo fun to huge fights and wars in pnq and o2o.

After leaving 0.0 becoming jaded and annoyed with most of the leadership of the big alliances *grins* (my apology for being such a pain in the ass) I decided the only way forward was to form my own corp and trust being the issue it was I dragged people from real life that I had known for 10 years plus into eve.

I have taught them alot of what I know and the amazement when actually leading a fleet and your members actually listen and follow orders lol and they respond better in combat than alot of people I knew in 0.0.

I have tried to take my members, small groups from 3-7 into 0.0 and all you seem to see is blob, no skill just numbers, maybe it is a training idea :)

But if anyone can mail me some places a smallish fleet of frigs/cruisers/bc's can have fun I am happy to try (sadly most of us do not want to get low standings).

We fly mostly T1 ships not because we have to but because I am of the believe that learning in t1 is a damn good idea, our corp has a complete ship replacement policy for any ship lost be it t1-3 and capitals, by complete I mean ship/modules/ammo .

I guess I am looking for fun fights and while a merlin vs a legion+sabre+rifter+blackbird+teranis may seem fun to some that particular type of engagement does not leave me feeling GF GF!!! or a group of t1 cruisers facing of against T2's with 2 falcons and macharial backup is not really that much fun either.

While I agree with most of what you say, a well thought out post the one part I can not agree with is "how the game is mean to be played" This is still somewhat a sandbox and thus there is many ways to "play" this game by choice and intent.

And just because I am looking for the purity of a fight 10v10 or 1v1, does not make me in any way less, I do not mind loosing ships but do prefer if it is a good fight.

Now a "good" fight can be very subjective, the first time I flew my moros and shot a tcu that to me was a good fight (something to do with turning sound up to 10 all effects on and watching the amazing lighshow punctuated by the firing of blasters and some infected mushroom Artillery going on in the background), yesterday I fought the winner of that nights eve-radio competition, I travelled 13 jumps twice after hearing I needed to refit to pure t1 and that 1v1 was awesome :).

I have been in o2o with 150 maelstroms fighting forces and local passes 1800, even with the lag, even with the time between locking and firing, it was a "good" fight.

The day a test alliance rapier pilot decided to engage me and two other members of my corp in t1 frigates and we schooled his ass :) yep that was a good fight.

When I saw a neutral being attacked by pirates in local and engaged on his side, fun as hell!

Maybe I am just jaded but I would take the above moments over station games with carrier support or neut rr in hisec.

In the past I used every trick both inside and outside of the book, from spying to logofsky when in certain alliances, winning at any cost..destroying corps or people, annihilating oposition, the congratulations and kudos for playing my part always felt hollow, I was ranked 5600 on battleclinic when I said goodbye to that kind of pvp, If I had continued I would probably have hit top 1000 atleast..

So I know that side of it, I just was looking for something more, I guess it is a kind of burn out, I still love eve and I live for those few moments of the kill, the fight overloading weapons judging everything, manually orbiting an enemy kudos and respect always given even if not returned.

Although I do need to find something soon hehe our sparing matching in corp have evolved from low armor to killmail.

Yes WH's can be fun but I do not think people are "getting" where I am coming from, unless I am at war and I mean a proper war I do not kill industrials, yes I know people are idiots and blowing up an autopiloting badger or freighter (lets not talk about the charon :) ) punishes there stupidity, yes I agree a hulk should be aligned and watching local or in a WH D-scanning but its not really "fun" killing a target that can not fight back.

Okay so if no one takes us up on this offer, hope they do even if for training purposes it could be bloody good fun, I am just going to get the corp to fit out all 160 ships in the hangars and we roam every day till they are all gone, by that point skyrim should be out and a couple of weeks of that may do us all good lol.

Dude, I know exactly where you are coming from and how you feel. "I was there" in o20. Was a good fight. But after that, nulsec PvP has been in a downward deathspiral. I nearly quit eve because it seemed like such a waste of time.

Mate, there's plenty of good PvP in w-space. All you need to be effective is a covert cloak, a core probe launcher, and a good dose of patience. While we often take the freebies of unguarded industrial kills, we also attack any gangs we think we have a chance of defeating. Heck, just the other day, Chessur and I took it upon ourselves to let a corp know that they had let their POS run out of fuel by generating some attack notifications and kill mails on their corp assets. We even cleaned up the mess afterwards by hauling away the loot trash.

Honestly, I've found w-space hunting to be very refreshing.

Great idea for myself - I'll ask people in our corp.

whats more fun then being outnumbered and killin the fleet ur fighting really makes for a good challenge and great fights. 1v2 2v3 2v4 3v5 they make for the best fights.