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Tribal Liberation Force on verge of historic victory

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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#21 - 2013-09-15 11:05:56 UTC
It is interesting how the same people can point out that were all slaves liberated, the Republic would struggle to provide for them all, and criticize the fact that when slaves are set free, we take in our own first. How can you require that when our resources are critically low, we use them to take care of other peoples' business? We are not Sisters of Eve, we are the Minmatar Republic.

That said, it is not unusual for Minmatar forces to take on board of evacuation vessels slaves of other races when there is room to do so, or in a hurry just take anyone they can board fast. Prioritizing kin does not mean we are heartless.

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-09-15 11:21:45 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
It is interesting how the same people can point out that were all slaves liberated, the Republic would struggle to provide for them all, and criticize the fact that when slaves are set free, we take in our own first. How can you require that when our resources are critically low, we use them to take care of other peoples' business? We are not Sisters of Eve, we are the Minmatar Republic.

That said, it is not unusual for Minmatar forces to take on board of evacuation vessels slaves of other races when there is room to do so, or in a hurry just take anyone they can board fast. Prioritizing kin does not mean we are heartless.

Elsebeth Rhiannon

One of my masters told me, that real desire of slaves or former slaves is not to liberate themselves or get their "freedom", but rather to became slavers themselves and have their own slaves. Better - have their former owners as slaves.

When the conflict started, the Empire was in quite peaceful relations with the... uh... Minmatar Republic, but they attacked anyway. Why? Revenge and desire to enslave their former slavers. It is just like fight for freedom, where freedom is a synonym for chaos and destruction. This is not a "Minmatar Republic", this is rather an angry mob of frenzied tribals, who want to destroy and dominate. And it is our duty to fight them.

Think for yourself, are you standing on the right side in this conflict?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#23 - 2013-09-15 11:28:10 UTC
I picked my side less by choosing to be with someone than by the fact that if the Minmatar do not stand united against the Empire with its Reclaiming policies, sooner or later we will be ran over, and my kin will be enslaved.

If that threat did not exist, I would not give a damn about what, say, the Brutor tribe did, as long as they paid back that courtesy. My only quarrel with the Caldari State is your aid to the Empire. In the current struggle, my opinions about the morality of the Minmatar Republic's actions as a whole are, unfortunately, almost completely irrelevant.

Elsebeth
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-09-16 16:31:35 UTC
From one side, I commend your dedication to your friends, and that you choose to fight for them, and I would like to wish you luck with this.
But from other side, you are fighting against us and against our allies, so for this I would like to wish you to die.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#25 - 2013-09-16 16:51:28 UTC
Captain Kim; you make quite a cultural blunder mistaking "kin" for "friend", but this is not unusual for Caldari without much experience with tribal culture, so no offense taken. As to mutual respect, your words are spot on.

Elsebeth
Confliktus
Perkone
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-09-16 16:58:41 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Nauplius wrote:
O Minmatar Militia how great is blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah


And now we all know what is going on inside Ixiris' brain when he read other people's posts.
Quite explains, why he spits so much lies and can't operate with facts.


* Spils kaffee all over the keyboard..


Now Kim making jokes and showing a healthy sense of humour? Sorry Mr. Ixiris but this one was fun.
Kenshi Enderos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-09-16 17:23:14 UTC
The Minmatar claim victory over their alliance's mutual enemy and many Gallente use the opportunity to moralize condescendingly that not every slave was freed. Intriguing. The thin end of the wedge?

The Minmatar are to be respected for recognizing the exigencies of armed struggle. They understand that sacrifices must be made given their limited resources and are willing to shelve shallow sentimentality for the good of their tribe. The visceral savage in me approves of their steely approach to resistance. A shame I am duty-bound to keep them in bondage but that is as it must be - freedom is for those strong enough to take it for themselves.
Confliktus
Perkone
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-09-16 17:50:39 UTC
Kenshi Enderos wrote:
The Minmatar claim victory over their alliance's mutual enemy and many Gallente use the opportunity to moralize condescendingly that not every slave was freed. Intriguing. The thin end of the wedge?

The Minmatar are to be respected for recognizing the exigencies of armed struggle. They understand that sacrifices must be made given their limited resources and are willing to shelve shallow sentimentality for the good of their tribe. The visceral savage in me approves of their steely approach to resistance. A shame I am duty-bound to keep them in bondage but that is as it must be - freedom is for those strong enough to take it for themselves.


Lets just hope that the day when our "allies" turn on us that we may find the same steel in ourselves as the Matari are displaying right now.
Kenshi Enderos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-09-16 18:24:32 UTC
Confliktus wrote:
Kenshi Enderos wrote:
The Minmatar claim victory over their alliance's mutual enemy and many Gallente use the opportunity to moralize condescendingly that not every slave was freed. Intriguing. The thin end of the wedge?

The Minmatar are to be respected for recognizing the exigencies of armed struggle. They understand that sacrifices must be made given their limited resources and are willing to shelve shallow sentimentality for the good of their tribe. The visceral savage in me approves of their steely approach to resistance. A shame I am duty-bound to keep them in bondage but that is as it must be - freedom is for those strong enough to take it for themselves.


Lets just hope that the day when our "allies" turn on us that we may find the same steel in ourselves as the Matari are displaying right now.


There was a time when I viewed the existence of The Republic and the existence of the State as mutually exclusive. I thought their values were antithetical to the survival of a healthy social organism and that the Minmatar served anarchy rather than order, that their individualism threatened to pollute the code of duty and honor that form the stiff backbone of the Caldari citizen.

Such misguided opinions seeped into me osmotically during my time in the Empire, where I was stationed to crosstrain in Amarr and Caldari ship design. I now recognize that the strengths that bind the Caldari are much the same as those that bind the Minmatar. Constructs like "state" and "tribe" are of less concern to a people than the values that serve to defend those constructs. The irony is that it is those values that solidify our loyalty to the State and pit us against the Minmatar, but I do not think this will be a permanent condition as I once did.

The time will come when circumstances force us to recognize that the Minmatar need not be our enemy. Indeed, if our "allies" turn on us we may find that the Minmatar are not so deserving of our derision.
Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#30 - 2013-09-16 18:31:46 UTC
Kenshi Enderos wrote:
There was a time when I viewed the existence of The Republic and the existence of the State as mutually exclusive. I thought their values were antithetical to the survival of a healthy social organism and that the Minmatar served anarchy rather than order, that their individualism threatened to pollute the code of duty and honor that form the stiff backbone of the Caldari citizen.

Such misguided opinions seeped into me osmotically during my time in the Empire, where I was stationed to crosstrain in Amarr and Caldari ship design. I now recognize that the strengths that bind the Caldari are much the same as those that bind the Minmatar. Constructs like "state" and "tribe" are of less concern to a people than the values that serve to defend those constructs. The irony is that it is those values that solidify our loyalty to the State and pit us against the Minmatar, but I do not think this will be a permanent condition as I once did.

The time will come when circumstances force us to recognize that the Minmatar need not be our enemy. Indeed, if our "allies" turn on us we may find that the Minmatar are not so deserving of our derision.


Hey, Mr Hakatain, we found you a friend!
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#31 - 2013-09-16 18:45:35 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
O Minmatar Militia how great is the wrath you pile up for yourselves in God's holy storehouse.

For every Amarr Navy captain you destroy with your primitive, barbaric projectile weapons will testify against you at your Inquisition before God's holy throne; every "Loyalty Point" you gorge yourself upon will be repaid a hundred times over on the day of God's Judgement.

We in the Crusade will answer to God for our failures in prosecuting God's holiest charge — the Reclaiming — but how much more will you suffer for having committed the greatest of sins — the Un-Reclaiming?

So great is the wrath of God upon you, that only by defection to God's one and only instrument of salvation in this world — the Amarr Empire — might you have any chance at salvation. Better yet, sell yourselves into slavery, that after nine generations of the lash and the collar and the Vitoc may your decendants present themselves righteously before God.

Amen. Amarr Victor.


If your alleged deity, which is supposedly all powerful, so disapproves of my actions it's welcome to tell me so personally and to punish me right now. Why wait for pie in the sky by and by when you die? I'm docked at the RSS station in Pator ready to engage it in a dialogue.

As the young people in Caille like to say, "Come at me, bro".

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-09-16 19:24:30 UTC
Annabella, you're overthinking this. Since their God is omnipresent, omniscient and omnipresent, it's reasonable to assume that nothing happens without God allowing it, and therefore it must be God's will that the Minmatar Republic is winning the war right now.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Confliktus
Perkone
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-09-16 19:28:18 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Annabella, you're overthinking this. Since their God is omnipresent, omniscient and omnipresent, it's reasonable to assume that nothing happens without God allowing it, and therefore it must be God's will that the Minmatar Republic is winning the war right now.


Like the Amarr say, Mr. Ixiris, God punishes evil. In this case the Amarrians are discovering that the door in that particular aspect of their Scriptures happens to swing both ways.

Ciaphas Cyne
Moira.
#34 - 2013-09-16 21:04:43 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
[quote=Nauplius]
As the young people in Caille like to say, "Come at me, bro".



i need to change my pants now, thank you.

"buff only the stuff I fly and nerf everything else"

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Zelarrs Elkoth
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#35 - 2013-09-16 22:04:29 UTC
Eran Mintor wrote:
Since when did Gutter Press make accurate reports and broadcasts? I think a name-change might be in order...

-Eran


Events of the last weekend proving this report to be inaccurate as usual. Sorry to dash your hopes of an improved Gutter Press.

Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Captain, Head of Diplomacy, Recruiting Officer Contact on channel: "PIE Public" "I walk the razor's edge of embracing the future while protecting what we value of the past."

Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#36 - 2013-09-17 20:05:14 UTC
If there was a way to honor Midular... this might just be a start.. Cry

More Character Customization :: Especially compared to what we had in 2003...

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#37 - 2013-09-17 20:15:28 UTC
Zelarrs Elkoth wrote:
Eran Mintor wrote:
Since when did Gutter Press make accurate reports and broadcasts? I think a name-change might be in order...

-Eran


Events of the last weekend proving this report to be inaccurate as usual. Sorry to dash your hopes of an improved Gutter Press.


I am quite happy with Gutter Press the way it is. I feared this article may have been a sign of change until their most recent article reinstated my faith in its satire.

Isis Dea wrote:
If there was a way to honor Midular... this might just be a start.. Cry


I don't think Midular wanted to see war in the first place so I don't see how you can really honor her through war with the Amarr.

-Eran
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#38 - 2013-09-17 21:41:59 UTC
She wanted her Republic and to not defy the Assembly, I think it isn't perfect but it's a start.

More Character Customization :: Especially compared to what we had in 2003...

Zelarrs Elkoth
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#39 - 2013-09-17 23:14:09 UTC
Eran Mintor wrote:


Isis Dea wrote:
If there was a way to honor Midular... this might just be a start.. Cry


I don't think Midular wanted to see war in the first place so I don't see how you can really honor her through war with the Amarr.

-Eran


It is gratifying to see that some remember history.

I confess to often wondering often how different things might be if the Ray of Matar had been allowed to continue her work. She to me was evidence that God's light does not fall on the True Amarr alone.

Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Captain, Head of Diplomacy, Recruiting Officer Contact on channel: "PIE Public" "I walk the razor's edge of embracing the future while protecting what we value of the past."

Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#40 - 2013-09-18 03:39:01 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
It is interesting how the same people can point out that were all slaves liberated, the Republic would struggle to provide for them all, and criticize the fact that when slaves are set free, we take in our own first. How can you require that when our resources are critically low, we use them to take care of other peoples' business?


Captain Rhiannon has the right of it.

In times of scarcity, one prioritizes.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

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