Player Features and Ideas Discussion

A good point. A tanking version that could fit either game play interest is simply a benefit of this.

Ideally, it could supercede either passive or active tanking, but intentionally it simply makes it less obvious how a ship is fitted.

More options, more possible ways to consider how your opponent may be vulnerable.

I don't know who quoted that active/passive tank is the difference between pvp and pve, but they are wrong. There is a lot of variety in fittings in pvp and speed, passive, active and buffer on shield, armor and hull are used to tank incoming damage.

There is no one solution to pvp and to create something that would push to a more uniform way of fitting ships is a bad thing, as it takes some of the mystery away from the game.

In PVE, there exists a different problem where the race to most effective setup and the predictability of the content are the real issue.

Part of what makes Eve online so awesome is the total chaos when it comes to the fitting creativity both for comedy kill-mails and out of the box solutions for combat.

The thing is, you want to change the core mechanics of the game, but the current mechanics are working just fine, and have been since the game launched. This would WAY over-simplify the game, as well as make armor vs shield tanked ships pointless, everyone would just flock to the best ship of the class and stick with it. It's not just about passive and active, each method of tanking has other things factored into it.

If you go shield, your ship goes faster, your mass is lower, but extenders blow up your signature radius so larger guns can hit you harder and people can lock you faster, you can fit more damage and tracking mods, but it uses midslots that could be used for utility. If you go armor, you have more EHP, but plates make your mass larger so you go slower, making it easier to track you, it frees up midslots for utilities, but has less lows to accommidate damage and tracking mods. There are always different fits for different situations, all based off of what tank you're using. Removing this would severely impact the ability to use different fitting tactics.This also removed any need for logistics ships at all, making all logistics based pilots pointless, as well as triage carriers, and carriers in general unless you're ratting with them or using them for damaging ships in pvp.

Without passive and active armor hardeners, this also presents another issue: Capacitor. These modules would take up way too much capacitor. You would need to fit either cap boosters, which you would run out of very fast in long engagements, or fit lots of cap mods, which would severely gimp your ship's performance in pvp. Your idea not only makes things more simplified at a player level, but at a developer level it makes things MUCH more complicated. They would have to make a whole new system fit work around needing so much capacitor to run repper hardeners, as you describe, either making reppers take next to no cap, which would let you perma-run a booster, which would be very bad, or lots of cap but make cargoholds larger and/or cap charges smaller so engagements can last longer than 5-6 reloads of your cap booster. On a side note, they would have to redo structure mechanics as well since you would need to compensate for the lack of remote repping ships, and waiting for passive recharge just won't cut it.

It would essentially be a new game after all is said and done. The need for different fits gone, logistics gone, spider tanking dead, triage dead, any variation at all between ships would be gone except for ship size and weapons. Tanking isn't just about repairing and mitigating damage, it's how you fly the ship and in what situation. The current system is actually very simple, you fit your ships or fly specific ship/fits in whatever situation you are going into, for whatever role you are playing.

Just my 2 cents.