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"You don't quote much Scripture..."

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Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#201 - 2013-10-03 00:45:22 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Constantin Baracca wrote:

The rest not being very direct, I do assume you have a great fear of cultural diversity and assimilation. Otherwise, why the reaction?


Indeed, assumption and assertion is all that you appear to have and upon which you base your own particular brand of soporific platitudes to expound at length. If you believe in my present discourses with yourself I have been harsh, than that is indeed your own opinion and feeling that my words were injurious. This is not me being harsh, in fact I would say this is me only having escalated matters only very slightly with a minimal expenditure of effort for I have numerous duties to attend to in the prosecution of my present leadership position. This matter at hand is very low on my list of priorities to the point I would classify it as, "Idle amusement."

Now if you desire my kindness I will state a favourite saying of mine: "Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise." As such I will endeavour to show you the full extent of my kindness when I deem it suitable given my present demands upon my time and energies to extend towards yourself the wish you appear to have that I grant you the pleasure of having the rope you have most graciously placed in my hands tied around your neck, just as you have been equally gracious in having dug a hole of your own accord for me to place you in. All your words thus far presented are now in the public domain, and even if you wished to change them, sufficient logs exist in publicly available databases, that I have the time and leisure to prosecute this matter in the manner I would deem most suitable -- for myself certainly, for yourself perhaps not so much.

However, just as it seems you are oblivious both to the length of rope you have placed in my hand in addition to the hole I see you digging, you are just as blind to the fact that my interest and amusement in this discussion was never to convince you personally (Indeed, an overly large ego might believe it to be so) but rather to engage in some nostalgia of the days I worked as a corporate lawyer. To use an argument you have used yourself, so that you might understand, if you believe my position is incorrect because it has not been endorsed by what you see as my peers (granted, the use of endorsement is better left in the fields of advertizing and propaganda not debate in my mind) then what does it say about your own position and claims when not a single one of your own nominal Amarrian peers has supported it here?

Perhaps you will find an answer of sorts if you come to understand that in the life lead by a capsuleer, ones own reputation is a valuable commodity, and that I am not here, again, to convince you -- indeed it seems you have failed to realize that your own thoughts are of little value to me compared to the potential verdict to be passed by what might be said to be your peers and the public at large.


Well, Veikitamo, I suppose I will answer your wisdom with the wisdom of my father. "No one wins an argument." Hence why I really don't necessarily see ropes, holes, or anything of the sort in regards to this matter. The problem with your response here is that you didn't actually respond to what I said. I have stated all conflict is born in fear, and that your words were, if you look back and read objectively, certainly much less measured than this response was. You have to realize that this is a reaction to the previous post, so I can't say I feel vaguely threatened.

As a matter of fact, I do have some support from other Amarrians. It may be a cultural element that we do not, very often, go out of our way to slap one another or high five each other. Points stand on their own, and should one of my brethren decide to join in, it will likely be to add to the point if they so choose. Or they may provide counterpoints, or even their own interpretations. I can't say I consider that to be harsh or said in judgement, as you'll note most all but a few of my more ardent detractors are outright hostile, and even Slaver Filth has wavered. Criticism simply isn't something to be feared nor is there anything to be won. That's been fairly common through most of the people who've enjoined me at any length.

As this last message has been forced to take a less insulting route, you can see the results. If you meet anger with calm, understanding, and confidence, it becomes anemic. Anger, hate, and fear feed from each other and require fuel to continue. Truly, centered thought and measured debate bring calm and serenity, as the Scriptures call for. You see it in practice, if you look through this admittedly long thread. People enter being angry, and often leave on conciliatory or dismissive notes. They are rarely angry unless they truly intend to be.

Regardless, this thread was started in order to answer people's questions about my faith and ministry, and I shall not disappoint. As you've asked how I ever managed to survive, I have to agree that looking back, it probably does seem impossible. Through God, all things are possible, though. As such, it would take a somewhat long time to enumerate, so I've posted it in another thread.

God comes to us and calms us, placates our hearts with wisdom and understanding of the universe. Through it, we see the frivolity of anger in the greater expanse of the cosmos and what our true destination must be. To let go of that anger is not to be less of a person, but to be free of one of life's greatest unnecessary burdens. There is never a need for fear. It only makes life a somewhat more exhausting labor.

Given that we are likely to see much more of life than our forefathers, it might behoove us to unburden ourselves of that anger. It will wear us out into hollow shells if we put all that we have into the effort.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#202 - 2013-10-03 03:47:18 UTC
Constantin Baracca wrote:
As you've asked how I ever managed to survive, I have to agree that looking back, it probably does seem impossible.


It speaks volumes of your complete inability to actually partake in a rational debate when in the very piece you have quoted I never actually asked you that question. Why then quote it in the first place if you not only ignore its contents but construct an assertion on the basis of an outright lie?

Is verbosity now the doctrine of choice for the Theology Council in lieu of rationality and reason to cover up illogical argument, fallacy, irrationality, unsubstantiated claims, aspersion and even outright lies?

To which I am now curious since among your many unsubstantiated claims is that you are both an ordained Bishop of, and that your ministry is part of the Theology Council:

Are you, Constantin Baracca, an ordained and true Bishop of the Theology Council and that both yourself and your ministry is a current member of, and thus a direct representative of the Theology Council. That in the prosecution of your duties at home and abroad, you are expressing the truthful and honest orthodox doctrines of the Amarr Faith and its Scriptures as a direct representative and member of the Theology Council as it fully endorses and tacitly states as the unequivocal and inviolate Word of God as it applies both to the faithful of the Amarr Empire and non-believer alike as a cleric in its name?

Otherwise it would appear to me that you're just a self-appointed, "Bishop" of your own self-created ministry and you are preaching your own evangelical interpretations of the Scriptures in foreign lands without the actual backing of the Theology Council are you not?

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#203 - 2013-10-03 04:13:41 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Constantin Baracca wrote:
As you've asked how I ever managed to survive, I have to agree that looking back, it probably does seem impossible.


It speaks volumes of your complete inability to actually partake in a rational debate when in the very piece you have quoted I never actually asked you that question. Why then quote it in the first place if you not only ignore its contents but construct an assertion on the basis of an outright lie?

Is verbosity now the doctrine of choice for the Theology Council in lieu of rationality and reason to cover up illogical argument, fallacy, irrationality, unsubstantiated claims, aspersion and even outright lies?

To which I am now curious since among your many unsubstantiated claims is that you are both an ordained Bishop of, and that your ministry is part of the Theology Council:

Are you, Constantin Baracca, an ordained and true Bishop of the Theology Council and that both yourself and your ministry is a current member of, and thus a direct representative of the Theology Council. That in the prosecution of your duties at home and abroad, you are expressing the truthful and honest orthodox doctrines of the Amarr Faith and its Scriptures as a direct representative and member of the Theology Council as it fully endorses and tacitly states as the unequivocal and inviolate Word of God as it applies both to the faithful of the Amarr Empire and non-believer alike as a cleric in its name?

Otherwise it would appear to me that you're just a self-appointed, "Bishop" of your own self-created ministry and you are preaching your own evangelical interpretations of the Scriptures in foreign lands without the actual backing of the Theology Council are you not?


Well, that actually is a simple question to answer. Yes, I am an official Bishop of the Theology Council's Evangelism Church. I am a first degree Bishop whose diocese is technically referred to as "The Hinterlands." I answer to Archbishop, second degree Alonso Cassio who answers to Archbishop, first degree Urobo Baracca, my grandmother, who is one of the council heads of the Theology Council Evangelism Church. My record number is 883230072, if you are interested in asking in at the Theology Council for my records.

They are well aware of what I preach and they keep fairly regular tabs on me. Honestly, I used to preach this as a priest, deacon, and bishop on Amarr Prime, so nothing I am saying here is necessarily new to them. We're a much broader church than many stereotypes might have people convinced. It must be, to cover an entire Empire of people, many of whom are not descended from those same people who lived on the original island of our first Scriptures.

I suppose most people do not think of us as a very cosmopolitan people, but every race we have ever absorbed, conquered, or invited into the fold of the Empire remains with freedmen and citizens of every stripe.

What part of my ministry do you find most perplexing? I am certainly interested in answering any questions you have about the nature and breadth of my ministry and congregation. If you have concerns that I am not acting in the Theology Council's name, you can lodge a communication of complaint with Archbishop Alonso Cassio at their headquarters in Avair.

Believe me, you won't be the first. Official clergymen have very thick files, especially we ordained clerics. As any citizen has a right to lodge a complaint at any time for any reason, I've had complaints from the nature of my ministry from some racial purists to a goodly soul in my home diocese who found my hair to be too long for an emissary of God. However, I am sure that if it is of substance, they will look into it posthaste.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#204 - 2013-10-03 04:40:14 UTC
Constantin Baracca wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:


Are you, Constantin Baracca, an ordained and true Bishop of the Theology Council and that both yourself and your ministry is a current member of, and thus a direct representative of the Theology Council. That in the prosecution of your duties at home and abroad, you are expressing the truthful and honest orthodox doctrines of the Amarr Faith and its Scriptures as a direct representative and member of the Theology Council as it fully endorses and tacitly states as the unequivocal and inviolate Word of God as it applies both to the faithful of the Amarr Empire and non-believer alike as a cleric in its name?



Well, that actually is a simple question to answer. Yes, I am an official Bishop of the Theology Council's Evangelism Church.


Just so that there is no doubt we are referring to the same organization:

You are stating for the public record you are a member of the organization known as the Theology Council, CEO listed as Mervan Moritok; corporate ticker listed as, "T"; a member of the Amarr Empire faction with Headquarters listed as being in Avair VII - Moon 25 - Theology Council Tribunal?

You are a member and thus representative of the organization as outlined above?

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Matar Ronin
#205 - 2013-10-03 05:33:54 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Constantin Baracca wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:


Are you, Constantin Baracca, an ordained and true Bishop of the Theology Council and that both yourself and your ministry is a current member of, and thus a direct representative of the Theology Council. That in the prosecution of your duties at home and abroad, you are expressing the truthful and honest orthodox doctrines of the Amarr Faith and its Scriptures as a direct representative and member of the Theology Council as it fully endorses and tacitly states as the unequivocal and inviolate Word of God as it applies both to the faithful of the Amarr Empire and non-believer alike as a cleric in its name?



Well, that actually is a simple question to answer. Yes, I am an official Bishop of the Theology Council's Evangelism Church.


Just so that there is no doubt we are referring to the same organization:

You are stating for the public record you are a member of the organization known as the Theology Council, CEO listed as Mervan Moritok; corporate ticker listed as, "T"; a member of the Amarr Empire faction with Headquarters listed as being in Avair VII - Moon 25 - Theology Council Tribunal?

You are a member and thus representative of the organization as outlined above?
Dun Duh Duhhhh! Backed into a corner stay tuned to read the wall of words that will attempt to extract "Mr I'm So Official" from this latest verbal trap.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.

Matar Ronin
#206 - 2013-10-03 05:44:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Matar Ronin
Uh oh! His public info states that he is only a member of the Imperial Academy .... no mention of the Theology Council, might be safe to say he is another Amarrian teller of tall tales ..... lol .... the humiliation must be staggering!

Not even a wall of text can extract the Amarrian from the web he has woven. Tragic in a strange fashion i'll admit, but as the tales got larger and grander it was only a matter of time before he got hoisted upon his own petard.

His credentials are as false as his religion.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.

Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#207 - 2013-10-03 07:40:18 UTC
Constantin Baracca wrote:
You would be amazed what you can achieve just by not being a source of escalation or conflict.


"Hello, I'm a Bishop who's going to tell Caldari capuleers how I expect the State to convert to the Amarr Faith. I'm also going to tell them how I am preaching to the Caldari baseliner population, an attack on their cultural and religious values which I will claim I'm doing under the auspice of the Theology Council.

This is not at all something that might be a source of conflict."

At this point, I'm half convinced you're a Gallente plant.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Odelya d'Hanguest
Order of St. Severian
#208 - 2013-10-03 09:22:50 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Just so that there is no doubt we are referring to the same organization:

You are stating for the public record you are a member of the organization known as the Theology Council, CEO listed as Mervan Moritok; corporate ticker listed as, "T"; a member of the Amarr Empire faction with Headquarters listed as being in Avair VII - Moon 25 - Theology Council Tribunal?

You are a member and thus representative of the organization as outlined above?
Ms Gesakaarin,

just for your information: Mervan Moritok is dead and the Theology Council [“T” stands for Treason] hasn’t chosen a new heresiarch yet.

And to my dear Bishop of the Hinterlands I say, should you ever “get involved” in the Khanid Kingdom or somewhere near me I will open fire without further notice.

Regards,
Odelya
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#209 - 2013-10-03 09:59:30 UTC
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:
Ms Gesakaarin,

just for your information: Mervan Moritok is dead and the Theology Council [“T” stands for Treason] hasn’t chosen a new heresiarch yet.



I am aware, however it is what is publicly presented in the available information as regards the Theology Council on available CONCORD databases.

A necessary clarification, for one would think the consequences for playing charlatan impersonating being a member or representative of an organization such as the Theology Council to be severe.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#210 - 2013-10-03 10:05:03 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:
Ms Gesakaarin,

just for your information: Mervan Moritok is dead and the Theology Council [“T” stands for Treason] hasn’t chosen a new heresiarch yet.



I am aware, however it is what is publicly presented in the available information as regards the Theology Council on available CONCORD databases.

A necessary clarification, for one would think the consequences for playing charlatan impersonating being a member or representative of an organization such as the Theology Council to be severe.
Troublesome, this is troublesome indeed!

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "

Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#211 - 2013-10-03 10:10:45 UTC
It does however definitively clear up why he doesn't quote much scripture, he probably doesn't know them. A truly sad turn of events here, truly very sad.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#212 - 2013-10-03 17:03:15 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Constantin Baracca wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:


Are you, Constantin Baracca, an ordained and true Bishop of the Theology Council and that both yourself and your ministry is a current member of, and thus a direct representative of the Theology Council. That in the prosecution of your duties at home and abroad, you are expressing the truthful and honest orthodox doctrines of the Amarr Faith and its Scriptures as a direct representative and member of the Theology Council as it fully endorses and tacitly states as the unequivocal and inviolate Word of God as it applies both to the faithful of the Amarr Empire and non-believer alike as a cleric in its name?



Well, that actually is a simple question to answer. Yes, I am an official Bishop of the Theology Council's Evangelism Church.


Just so that there is no doubt we are referring to the same organization:

You are stating for the public record you are a member of the organization known as the Theology Council, CEO listed as Mervan Moritok; corporate ticker listed as, "T"; a member of the Amarr Empire faction with Headquarters listed as being in Avair VII - Moon 25 - Theology Council Tribunal?

You are a member and thus representative of the organization as outlined above?


Forgive me, you mean the one that says very specifically that it is a legal organization. No, as I've previously stated, I am not a lawyer or a domestic government official. In Caldari terms, that would essentially be my shell corporation. I am ordained and work for them, but my task is not legislative or executive.

Most of the Theology Council's representatives performing ecclesiastical functions are not part of that august body. That is the part of the Council that handles the definitions of heresies and prosecutions of Scriptural doctrine. Other arms of the Council have formed corporations, but I have chosen definitively not to do so for several reasons.

The most important of these is that it would make operations outside the Amarr Empire very difficult. Imagine if I wanted to set up in Caldari space and I did not have the option of forming the NGO I did. If I incorporated the diocese, I would have to list as a foreign-owned corporation. That entails a ton of unnecessary legal loopholes to hop through.

The second and probably most important to the ministry itself is that people would then have to record the diocese as a place of employment. For the majority of parishioners, it is not. For those that are my clerical staff, they would be recorded as such on public nets. As you may have noticed, there are plenty of partisans who would like to use that sort of list to no end of trouble. As such, I keep that private to protect their identities. Most of the people in my diocese are not working for me, but are volunteering their time in between real jobs. I've no need to change that.

Third and most obviously, if I incorporated I would have to suddenly deal with war declarations. According to CONCORD, it is illegal to declare war on an entity such as the Imperial Academy. Hence I never changed it. It keeps my staff and me safe to remain with our parent universities or with larger corporations where we aren't going to be running across hostile forces very often. Incorporating the diocese itself would mean that any other corporation could open us up to legalized warfare. My staff includes few soldiers and to get involved in combat at any level isn't necessarily helpful to the mission.

So yes, I do work directly for the Theology Council as I have described. I'm sorry if my legal wrangling and statuses is confusing, but the entire point is safety and unity. Were the Theology Council to have found me a heretic, they likely would have killed me last week when I visited. You can, of course, follow the information I gave in order to check my official credentials.

I apologize if this was the cause of your concern. It's all very technical, but essentially it means I can focus on my mission rather than the intricacies of intercorporate politics. I've no interest in giving anyone a good excuse to attack my parishioners. It can be dangerous enough as it is for them.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#213 - 2013-10-03 17:15:45 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
At this point, I'm half convinced you're a Gallente plant.

Please, give the Federation some credit.

If we wanted a plant, we'd choose one with competence, credibility and intelligence.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.