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Which stealth bomber should I work towards

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CorsairV
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-09-12 21:47:01 UTC
I remember hearing the Hound was the best one, and I guess some people like the Manticore, but the Nemesis looks cool as hell now. What do corps usually fly?
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-09-12 22:46:20 UTC
Often the Nemesis and Manticore are preferred, due to the additional more mid-slot.
Between the two, the Nemesis has the advantage of its thermal damage bonus, while the Manticore has more CPU.
But each of the four bomber has it's use.

Also, when using bombs, you have to fly the same bomber as your squad, otherwise the bombs kill each other.
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-09-13 00:15:47 UTC
They are niche and situational so the short answer is if you really want to get into bombers then all of them, if not none of them. There are more productive things to work toward however the skill for cov-ops frigs is the same and they are endlessly handy so you may want to ask yourself which cov-ops frig you want to fly. The assault frigs are also amazballs so that should factor into your decision as well.

I want them all so that is the route I went.
Darwin Allessandro
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-09-13 01:38:57 UTC
As a newbie training for similar goals, I decided to work towards the Hound for a couple reasons:

1) I like the aesthetic of Minmatar ships
2) I wanted a fast covops for making bookmarks, and Minmatar do fast well (the cheetah seemed like a great scout ship option)

I was recommended the Manticore by a veteran as the easiest to fit for torpedo damage, since it has the most cpu for better launchers. But I'm a sucker for aesthetics.

The missile skills have served me well so far running missions in caldari ships. But honestly, the racial frigate 5 skill train is only 7-8 days or so, so once you're into one, you can easily just wait a week and get into another, since all the other requirement skills are the same, as are the support skills.

If you work on the missile skills first, you don't even have to make the decision on which to fly until all your core missile stuff is done, which takes a while anyways.
Sacramenti
Doom Generation
Best Intentions.
#5 - 2013-09-13 01:43:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Sacramenti
Most large nullsec blocs use the Hound or Purifier, bombers bar is anything goes, but they usually use explosive bombs, as does everyone else(it is best against the common armor fleets in null). The extra lowslot lets you use an extra BCU for DPS or fit extra tank for GokuFleet. The Manticore is third used because of ample CPU, and the nemesis is lastly used because it is very hard to fit, and has no extra CPU for the fourth mid.

All in all, if you have no deadset desire for one, i'd go hound; and hop into the bombers bar pub channel once you have.
Gallastian Khanid
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-09-13 04:48:05 UTC
Fly the prettiest one.

The real reason to select a bomber is the torp damage bonus is massive and type specific, so you always want to fly the damage type that ratters in the area will not be tanking for.

Other than that the differences are pretty mild. Hounds and Purifiers get fewer mids for tank/ewar but more lows for damage mods. Nemesi and Manticores get more mids for tank/ewar, but fewer lows for damage. Its just a trade off.

So fly whatever you think is prettiest.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#7 - 2013-09-13 09:46:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
Thomas Builder wrote:
Also, when using bombs, you have to fly the same bomber as your squad, otherwise the bombs kill each other.


I want to clarify this is a property of the bombs, not the ship that delivers it. As long as you all fit the same bomb type regardless of hull choice, this effect is avoided. It's still better to deliver a few unbonussed bombs then to have your own blown up. So if you want a less restrictive fleet just go with a bomb type depending on:

1. The majority of available bomber pilots and their SP.
2. The intended target's resists (if known).

Each bomber can off course bring his own preferred Torpedo type.
Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-09-13 10:01:44 UTC
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
Each bomber can off course bring his own preferred Torpedo type.

Not really preferred, but bonused since each racial bomber has a torp bonus (15% per cov-op level) and bomb bonus (5% per cov-op level) to a specific dmg type.
At level 5, the torp bonus reaches 75%, it'd be ridiculous to use anything else than the bonused torps. But for bombs, always match the fleet's bombs, though given the cargo available and the volume of bombs, you'll likely have a hauler along feeding the same bombs to the fleet.
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CorsairV
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-09-13 10:33:24 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
They are niche and situational so the short answer is if you really want to get into bombers then all of them, if not none of them. There are more productive things to work toward however the skill for cov-ops frigs is the same and they are endlessly handy so you may want to ask yourself which cov-ops frig you want to fly. The assault frigs are also amazballs so that should factor into your decision as well.

I want them all so that is the route I went.


I'm actually going to do covops first so I have something to play with while I wait for my torp sklll to max out. Which racial frigate skill would you max out first?
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#10 - 2013-09-13 16:48:03 UTC
Bombers are awesome. So go for the one you are already closest to getting. Try it, and see if you care enough to want the others.

I highly recommend joining bombers bar. They are noob friendly. So don't sweet it if you have never done medium size fleets before.

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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#11 - 2013-09-13 17:30:38 UTC
Why not train for your favorite one, and then just be able to cross-train any other race's bomber by training that racial frigate skill to 5? It's not that long a train, and diversity is good for adapting to a variety of situations.

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Ned Taggart
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-09-13 18:18:44 UTC
I love my Nemesis, but I have heard that the Manticore, properly fit and skilled can get more range out of the torpedoes.

Here's the thing, Whatever CovOps you trained into, use that racial bomber. If you get good enough with it where the hull is holding you back and you think you can squeeze more out of a different hull, then train into that hull.
Drax Concrilla
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-09-13 18:58:28 UTC
CorsairV wrote:
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
They are niche and situational so the short answer is if you really want to get into bombers then all of them, if not none of them. There are more productive things to work toward however the skill for cov-ops frigs is the same and they are endlessly handy so you may want to ask yourself which cov-ops frig you want to fly. The assault frigs are also amazballs so that should factor into your decision as well.

I want them all so that is the route I went.


I'm actually going to do covops first so I have something to play with while I wait for my torp sklll to max out. Which racial frigate skill would you max out first?


Purifier, and I'd do it again if I had to. It can get the highest paper max DPS of any bomber thanks to its larger Power Grid, I can fly all the bombers but it's still my go-to. Hound as a close second (first in many people's eyes) - it also can get more DPS than most other bombers (baring a max DPS Purifier), is faster, and gets bonuses to the explosive bomb. The hound is also widely used (#1 ship on eve-kill right now, but all 4 bombers are in the top 5).
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-09-14 06:01:57 UTC
I went frig V for the AF first. Then for the cov-ops. The bomber was really an after thought for me.

I went with Gallente for the enyo, then Caldari for their cov-ops (which I like but my drone skills are good enough to make the helios a bit more appealing).

I like both the nemesis and manticore for gang work because more TP's & TD's is always a good thing. For solo stuff I want the hound. With that said, I'm going Amarr next for their AF's so the hound will just have to wait and I'm sure the purifier will do just fine until then.
CorsairV
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-09-14 12:26:00 UTC
Delt0r Garsk wrote:
Bombers are awesome. So go for the one you are already closest to getting. Try it, and see if you care enough to want the others.

I highly recommend joining bombers bar. They are noob friendly. So don't sweet it if you have never done medium size fleets before.


There really isn't a closest for me, all my frig skills are at 4. I might have to close my eyes and pick the one my finger falls on.
Berendas
Ascendant Operations
#16 - 2013-09-14 16:06:46 UTC
I'm trained for all four, but I prefer the Nemesis because it looks the most like an RL stealth bomber Cool