EVE General Discussion

You'll never get it. If that's a deal breaker, you should leave now.

Why won't you get it? Because it is the closely held belief of CCP that there is no way they could tell you something and you would believe it. It doesn't matter what they said or how it was said. You would not listen.

Imagine if the CEO or lead developer or anyone at the company came here and in a calm, sincere, real voice said "No we're not planning to do microtransactions." Would you listen? Would you believe? Would you stop worrying and ranting on the forums?

No. You would not.

You don't want an explanation because you already have a belief yourself about what is true. You want to complain. You want to influence. You want to control.

Your subscription fee does not give you that authority. It gives you the chance to rant on the forum and express your concerns. The best thing you can hope for has already happened - your concerns were heard. Noted. Maybe even considered.

Mission accomplished.

By the way. In game concerns about "impersonation" are really quite foolish.

This kind of clause frequenly appears in a TOS to let the company deal with problems like you making a character named "CCPAwesomeGuy" and claiming you can ban players. They don't care if you're scamming someone with some silly story about corp recruitment or moon rentals. The clause is there to prevent people from abusing privileged positions and reserved names and structures. Your player owned and created content is the same as it ever was... your "play style" such as it is, is safe as long as you aren't in the game claiming to be CCP, Microsoft, or Vladimir Putin.

If you've ever worked at a big company that has policies and rules and lawyers, you'd know that frittering around with rules is usually all that's keeping half a dozen people employed. Some random person in some random meeting room in Iceland thought that maybe the new text would more clearly represent the policy as intended. So, they made an ultimately insignificant "change"... nothing is different.

When people freaked (because people are damn fools in general, prone to silly freaking out over nothing) they basically tried to shut down the noise (thread locks) and explain ("nothing is going to change in practice") to try to tell you that you're worrying about nothing.

Why would they suddenly ban silly scamming games? After a decade of proudly waving a flag in support of it, they're going to silently go militant in another direction? No. The explanation I gave is much more believable.

If the practice differs from the written rule, then one of the two needs to change. If they try to tell the players that they shouldn't worry about a massive change in the written rules, then they effectively say that the rules are worthless for everyone involved — they offer no guidance for either behaviour or expectations on outcomes.

If they're not going to suddenly ban silly scamming games, they should not rewrite the rules to that effect. If they do that, people are in the right to freak out at the spectacular display of ineptitude this represents.

So far, the only thing they've managed to clarify is that the rule is idiotic and that they know it. The solution to this problem is to fix the rule, not try to adjust the language to make the idiocy sound less of an abortion than it actually is.

@CCP

All I wanna' know is why Supercaps are still listed on the market?

You can successfully place a buy order for one, but since they cannot dock, selling one, or filling a buy order via the market is impossible.

If because :reasons: Why can you place a buy order?

I demand answers!

/and free stuff

You don't work for the company. Your opinion doesn't matter.

The Incarna fiasco proved without question how important the consumer is. And those consumers brought change. What you're trying to imply is that he's alone and unimportant and I think you're confused. The playerbase of EVE will unite and make our voices heard. Do not underestimate our resolve.

Until you learn that speaking on behalf of a company and basically telling the consumer he's a piece of irrelevant excrement is not a good idea you should probably avoid posting.

Also google reduction to absurdity. Because your thesis on consumerism is embarrassing. Consumers are not obligated to buy your product. And if you do not kiss your consumers ass you won't have any consumers. Got it?

It's funny seeing people's different views on consumerism. You are all right that I/we are not legally entitled to anything beyond logging in to the game, as per the EULA. However, it is in the best interests of the company to satisfy their target market and that is why companies even have Customer Service departments. Otherwise they could save a lot of overhead and just get an answering machine that says "HTFU, you're only entitled to log-in rights." How do you think that would go?

Additionally, the above is completely disregarding the stated goal of CCP to be more transparent. So now am I not only making a reasonable request that is in their best interest, I'm also calling in on a promise of their own. You can have your own opinion about entitlement and consumerism but the fact they set transparency as a new goal in 2011 is an indisputable fact.

As for "You have no right to ask for X, Y, or Z" yes, yes I do. I have every right to ask for X, Y, AND Z and the company has every right to deny such a request. You are not entitled to receive X, Y, and Z. Big difference.

Nevertheless, I believe the point has been sufficiently stated. A group of us would like to see more transparency and an explanation. What CCP does with that request is up to them.

ITT we learn that people who have never had contact with any of the people involved believe that they know when they made the decision to go elsewhere careerwise

I view it as an extension of the "show available" checkbox. If that is not checked, then it functionally assumes the form of an item database, as already mentioned.

And yes, rabble.

i agree there is indeed something or is happing. 2 Devs in 1 month going to Riot. Oke thats sounds bad but perhaps let me address it this way sorry for any bad spelling or grammar.

The first thing i think is this line up what happens in ccp

1 - The game is dying or going the wrong way while the got some angry words here and there the just left off to a other company

2 - Riot pays better or Riot contact them to open a Job thats so bad ass the want to join.

3 - The just left because some times you don`t want to do the job for the rest of your life well some people dont do it till the die.

4 - The economy is dying or the need to have more money this is normal the case why you left a job.

This list here will address speculation but it can happen or is happening right now.

1 - Dust is dead. In short words there is no future sins the know that dust is complete dead now. While the are both apart game`s the know there is no change in hell the get dust back on the feet. This means that the 2 devs the perhaps have address that dust have a future and the got it booth wrong so the get fired.

2 - The WiS project the have work to long on that cost to many $$$ this make eve dropping to many money the fired the responsible for that

3 - Eve Online have no future or is losing allot of costumers. For some reason.

4 - The 2 devs have made some bad choice(s) that keeps eve in a very bad spot to fire some people thats responsible for it.

Keep in mind this is not a accurate its my list what happens or is happening. I don`t know anything about whats happened.
It can just the want to do something different and the want to do something els and there is nothing to worry about.