EVE General Discussion

Really ? It takes minutes for me to complete the whole process: Download the main patch. Then download the launcher patch (today it was one minute plus some for this download alone). Then install the patch files through the Windows updater before finally applying the patch in the EvE launcher.

It takes way more than 15 seconds for me. I'll time it next time around (tomorrow, probably) and then post the results here. Please do the same so we can compare.

Buy a better PC?

Seriously though. I've played Shadowbane, SWG, WoW, Tabula Rasa, Everquest 1 & 2, SWTOR, Guild Wars 1 & 2, City of Heroes/Villains, etc. In other words, I have extensive experience playing numerous MMO's. If it is a bug/glitch that is detrimental to gameplay, it's a quick fix. If it's an annoying bug/glitch, etc. it can take an extensive period of time before you see a fix completed because of the mentality you seem to live by.

One thing you aren't taking into consideration is that something you consider minor could have a detrimental affect on someone else's gameplay. Also, a number of those games are no longer in existence, could that possibly be due to not completing hotfixes fast enough to appease their audience? Probably not wholly due to that, but I'd imagine that played a role in their downfall.

Simply put, if it is really going to bother you that CCP is putting time and energy in making this game as fun and enjoyable for you as they possibly can, then there are plenty of other MMO's that take their dear sweet time to fix things, which I'm sure you could try and enjoy.

As for their development tools working on a two week cycle, I'm not entirely sure. Could it be possible that these are hotfixes planned and completed two weeks in advance of their release and that CCP is even more ahead of schedule then imagined? If that be the case, may God have mercy on us all for their efficiency!

If so, I am amazed by the number of bugs in EvE that have so detrimental effect on anyone's gameplay that it warrant a hot-fix. I agree however with your critic of the general industry policy of bug fixing and I am not suggesting that EvE should never be patched, or that bug fixes are bad.

Patches are fine. But not so frequent as has been the case lately.


The two week cycle is the default in Scrum. I think it is too long, a week is more reasonable imo if you have easy deployment (Web-interface or EvE-like games), but that is tangential to the issue at hand. I was just wondering....

Most dumb post I've read anywhere.

I can't remember how many times I've spent on different games having issue and not being able to play, same as hundreds, and waiting for days and days until a proper hotfix is put online. All those years of playing MMOs and other online games, I've seen only dismay at those dev teams that took their sweet time to correct bugs that ruined the experience of some users. I've never seen anyone ever complain about regular patches fixing stuff. That's really a first and probably proves that whatever you do, someone is going to be unhappy.

I mean, you complain about a few patches that took you, let's say 30 seconds to download install since your computer seems to be really slow. You complain because it keeps you from playing and makes you go browsing. And then you probably spent more than all the time taken from you by those patches writing a dumb rant post on forums. What the hell is wrong with your logic?


tl;dr: no, it's not a bad thing. There are things we can be unhappy about concerning CCP but certainly not that.

Seriously, though, the length of a day is 24 hours, ~8 of which you'll spend sleeping, leaving you with 16. Even if the patch too half an hour, which it does for many in Australia because of our dodgy internet (I'm safe, I have cable internet, 80-100 Mbps for me baby, yeah!) that's a grand total of 3% of your waking hours.

I remember checking out SW:TOR some time back. I've uninstalled it since, but I remember when "patch day" came around. It really was a patch day, being day-long and all. Well, okay, I exaggerate, but it was a few hours worth of download and installation, and it wasn't even an expansion, just a patch.

There's a reason CCP do it every day, it's to keep patches small so that users aren't kept offline for too long. I got so bored waiting for TOR to patch that I forgot it was even happening due to finding something else to do. I uninstalled the game a few weeks later, never looked back.

Even companies that are using scrum or agile will put out hotfixes if necessary (and would be stupid not to). I don't know what these fixes were for, but if they interfered with anyone actually accessing the service, I can understand wanting to get that fixed asap. You can imagine though that making fixes in such a short time might make extensive regression testing difficult, so it wouldn't seem out of the ordinary for a new (hopefully smaller) but to be introduced by hotfixes. This should be expected after a patch that represents months of development time.

tldr, be glad something is being done, even if it doesn't affect you, because some day it will.

Be constructive and explain how long a patch takes for you instead of being a useless smart-ass, please.

I've seen people in this thread claim the update process takes 15-30s which I find hard to believe: Today, the download of the launcher update alone took more than one minute for me. I didn't time the other parts of the update, though (I'll do that next time). But if a patch really is that fast, then I'll have to take a look at my setup.

About 30 seconds or a little under for today's patch here.

What kind've d/l speed are you supposed to be having?

Damn you OP how dare you complain.
CCP should change downtime so the servers are down for 23 hours and up for 1. That would make everyone happy, because apparently everyone LOVES waiting for maintenance to finish!

Thinking about it I got an idea: If they delayed patching for just one day, then they would be able to download (and possibly apply) the patch in the background without the user even noticing. Critical hot-fixes would be excluded of course, but I suspect most of the stuff fixed in the current patches are not in that category. WoW is using a similar approach when they're doing a (major) release