Crime & Punishment

It is not because I am a fan of matrix that I am saying this, but ...

Ganking is the result of an equation trying to balance itself out. On one hand you have the lack of impeditive measures to ganking specially in the highest hisec, on the other hand you have the dumbness of people holding large sums of ISK and jumping to very expensive ships faster than they can learn how to handle the heat. The most probable result is people trying to blow this folks up.

Ganking would not be if everyone just followed very simple steps:
- Do not fly alone
- Do not fly with one person
- Do not fly as if you were the only player in the game
- Do not fly as if a frigate and an orca cost the same
- Do not fly to the doom of your ship, and most likely yours
- If you cant pay attention to multiple things while flying, do not fly at all

Ganking is performed by players, as it is mentioned, and the most natural reaction to the kind of environment New Eden brings us. If you cant muster the social skills IRL to build a fleet or to avoid it, quit playing the game because it is not for you.

I dont like pvp combat in EVE, I find it tedious and slow, so I do the thing EVE has to offer that suits me better, and avoid combat. The two times I had my Industrial ganked, I knew that would happen, I was expecting it to happen, and took more time than I expected for that to happen, and more time than I expected to end. You are never ganked before you can escape, you are ganked always before you learn what to look for. When you learn what to look for, you know there is a gankage on the way long time before it happens, because if you can be ganked by a couple fellows with destro, you are not flying something worth whining about having it destroyed.

By definition, almost any action I take in EVE is pvp. Certainly shooting at another player is pvp.

I could never understand why people like you seem to think that the target has to be able to shoot back for it to count as pvp. It certainly didn't work that way in UO back in the day.

But, now we get to the crux of the matter. The ganker guy you just replied to, whether he knew it or not, tricked you into really revealing your motivations.

You don't think they should even be able to loot the wreck, or to shoot someone they might profit from. For all your bluster about killrights, all you want to do is effectively outlaw ganking, just like every other butthurt carebear who posts on these forums.



There is 100% risk to the ganker. They will always, without question lose their ship. Just because they prepare for that, and accept the consequences of doing so, does not mean it's not risk of loss.


No.

Low/null doesn't have such a huge number of fat targets who are too stupid to tank their ship. I hunt people in highsec because that's where the dumbasses who let me make money live. I go where the targets are, just like the rest of the pvp centric community.

If your risk averse, cowardly asses would actually go to lowsec once in a while, people wouldn't have to come down to highsec to gank you, furthermore.



Disclaimer, speaking about an older character I do not play much anymore:

I can guarantee you that, while my main was chased out of nullsec a very, very long time ago, that my alliance held sov for far longer, and a lot more of it, than your cowardly, circular logic using, worthless heap of carebears ever have or could.

Irrelevant. A) I haven't seen evidence that mining ships or ore prices have changed by a statistically significant amount and B) I don't see any evidence presented that if those changes have or did occur, it's beneficial to the game overall.



A) It's not my job to provide evidence for the claims of the New Order. It's their job. They can make all the arguments, claims, and manifestos they want; it's their job to prove that it's actually beneficial if they want anyone interested in reason or logic to buy it.
B) This isn't other MMOs; tradeskills in other MMOs and their "player driven economies" are a joke by comparison.
C) No, the New Order hasn't done anything to me, other than be an interesting combination of entertaining and silly. I have some idle plans to go troll them, but I haven't really had the time or interest.
D) As stated, CCP has a PhD economist available to make recommendations. Botting is already against the rules. Not tanking a ship or being AFK are silly reasons to gank miners; who cares if they are AFK or not tanked? No identifiable "threat to high sec" has been established, and no "saving" is going on. The roleplay is cute and all, but that's it.

You seem to have some issues with understanding the concept of "evidence."

The fit may have been great for a level 4 mission, unfortunately as you now know it is very easily ganked and very well worth ganking. Not to mention you were using it in a system that is easiest to gank in. Upon closer inspection it was hardly optimized as you had two AIF IIs instead of mission specific hardeners not to mention it was cap stable, so please don't tell me I don't know the first thing about fitting as apparently you don't either.

The point was Domi costs less, is more efficient to use and is not profitable to gank, that is why your tengu fit is a fail. Whether or not you have chosen to train into a Domi is irrelevant as a Raven is also more efficient given the numbers your tengu produces at all level 5 skills.

The results don't lie, if you had the luxury of running missions in a "safe zone" your argument might be sound, but there is no "safe zone" in eve. You are vulnerable as soon as you undock, you make yourself even more vulnerable by choosing to fly a ship that is unnecessarily expensive to get the job done and profitable to gank.

But hey, keep on trying to push your idea for an unnecessary change that what, two or three people have agreed with? It's definitely more entertaining to me than you learning to play the game properly instead of wasting your time arguing a foolish argument.

How did that plugging of the EM hole work out for you?

The better idea is to not fly a Tengu that would be profitable to gank.

If you insist on flying gank bait, then short range d-scan while you are missioning & don't mission in .5 systems. When four or more destroyers show up on d-scan bail out.



Most of this used to be true, until they added the MJD module, buffed the tracking on the domi and the way missile damage is applied by cruise missiles to smaller ships assuming you have it properly rigged and utilize target painters. Now you just jump away and take little to no damage. It is not necessary to have a huge tank anymore with the exception of a few missions. Carry a set of light drones and the "worrisome" frigs are a non factor as anything that is not blapped from range will be easily killed with lights.

Your reply is like an old man who hasn't adapted to the changes of the game. Tengu may still be king for blitzing but not for clearing rooms.

Different styles, different opinions, I can respect that, bottom line though is I still have my ship because no one would think about ganking it and well, you don't have yours.

I'll tell you what, you start ganking (make sure you come back and tell us how easy it is) and i'll start flying a tengu.

The part of the gank you get to see is your ship getting shot at and either exploding, or not. Most of the time the target will explode.. if it's a half decent gank crew anyway.

What you don't see is the batphones, logistics, moving/getting everyone to the right staging system, waiting on said everyone to get to the right staging system, making sure everyone has the right ships/fits, calculate the total dps/damage vs. what's needed/expected, continue to watch target and change strat is he/she moves/leaves and to where (sec sys), or abandon op for a more opportune time. And you need to do this relatively quickly.

The reason why some people think that ganking is easy is because all they see is the 20 seconds battle of the gank. They have no idea what was done to set that gank up, could have been 3 weeks ago.

For you "leet PvP'ers" who will cry bloody murder. Ganking is not hard, but it takes time and if there is one screw up, there goes your whole gank op.

As far as killrights are concerned... If the player is -10, they don't care. But if you die to a lowsec gate camp and a couple weeks later see the guy in high-sec local in his missioning ship... Use your brain too, if the character is say -1.1, then okay, you might want to sit on that killright. If character is -8.9, probably don't want to care too much about it and let it go. The idea with the killright is to wait for the most opportune moment, then activate it.