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GM clarification on rewording of the Terms of Service

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Anslo
Scope Works
#1441 - 2013-09-13 17:13:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
So no joy on the subscription tracker?...

Also, is it me, or is CCP getting a lot colder with customer relations ever since that EA guy showed up. Someone used Raise Dead Minion on Greed is Good?

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Nathalie LaPorte
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1442 - 2013-09-13 17:16:21 UTC
Ed Tekki wrote:
Interesting legal fact:

Anyone with an account that pre-dates the ToS change is not yet bound by the new rules, as there has been no new ToS agreement requests when entering the game.


You're forgetting that the old rules are the same as the new rules and vice versa, and they always have been.
captain foivos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1443 - 2013-09-13 17:17:31 UTC
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
You're forgetting that the old rules are the same as the new rules and vice versa, and they always have been.


....you say in the Terms of Service change thread.
Laurianne Leone
Blue Canary
Watch This
#1444 - 2013-09-13 17:19:18 UTC
captain foivos wrote:
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
You're forgetting that the old rules are the same as the new rules and vice versa, and they always have been.


....you say in the Terms of Service change thread.


'Rewording' thread thank you very much. Don't be misrepresenting GMs intentions in this thread X

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1445 - 2013-09-13 17:21:55 UTC
Refusing to answer the questions presented does not make community concern go away. I'm shocked that CCP still haven't managed to learn this.

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1446 - 2013-09-13 17:22:34 UTC
arabella blood wrote:
Actually NO, beeing as i am IRL Lawyer, i promise to you - "the less problematic the interpetetion" does not result in "the easier is to pass judgment"...but that's IRL law stuff and a bit out of place here, despite the TOS beeing a legal thing.

point taken.

still think there's quite the amount of wording on the ToS that could use clarification and simplification, even if you needed to hire people from the legal field to do it.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1447 - 2013-09-13 17:22:55 UTC
I have 2 characters with similar names. Am I going to get banned for telling people that I'm Mallak Azaria on another character?

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Anslo
Scope Works
#1448 - 2013-09-13 17:23:55 UTC
It doesn't matter though. I don't think they're going to do anything at all now. They said the 'final word' and that was it. Cold shouldered. Very corporate lawyer style. Not like CCP at all.

Honestly I don't even see the point of talking about this. The company won't do anything until subs drop again. I'm not trying to be pessimistic, but that seems to be the only thing that gets to them...unless they REALLY wanna make Eve more safe to work at the EA model of online gaming; high volume, high turnaround, and new gimmicks to keep the volume up.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1449 - 2013-09-13 17:26:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
I setup 4 POS towers the other day for moon mining. One of the harvesters is stuck on 'Starting up'. This moon harvester is impersonating an active moon harvester, under the rules of the new TOS I demand that you permanently ban this moon harvester.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1450 - 2013-09-13 17:26:51 UTC
Anslo wrote:
It doesn't matter though. I don't think they're going to do anything at all now. They said the 'final word' and that was it.


Because history has shown us that this works.

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Soaran Sikadi
Nobody in Local
Deepwater Hooligans
#1451 - 2013-09-13 17:28:24 UTC
So, now that we know what the GMs have decided policy is, perhaps they should consider changing it, seeing as how this is not what the playerbase wants, nor is it what the playerbase thought policy was.

From what I can tell, most people seem to be in agreement that:
* Impersonating CCP/ISD = not cool
* Impersonating via homograph attack = borderline
* Everything else = OK

I can't really see any reason to not change the policy to this, as the current policy
* Assumes that people never need to use alts as part of the same identity, whether in scam or non-scam work
* Has vague descriptions of what is and isn't a "group" which will likely be arbitrarily decided (e.g. the question of whether someone lying about having paid a new order fee is impersonating a member of the new order, vs someone claiming to be a CFC rental authority)
* Goes against the spirit of the game where anything anyone says could potentially be a lie.
* Prevents a large class of scams the playerbase seems to want to exist.

It feels like CCP is not hearing the playerbase on this, and is letting some weird disconnected GM department ruin their game while they work on the next patch.
Miss Altiana
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1452 - 2013-09-13 17:29:20 UTC
The tears in this thread is off epic proportions
Mr Pragmatic
#1453 - 2013-09-13 17:32:14 UTC
As a scam artist with multiple alts this makes me a sad panda. AM I allowed to pretend to be a panda?

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Anslo
Scope Works
#1454 - 2013-09-13 17:32:18 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Anslo wrote:
It doesn't matter though. I don't think they're going to do anything at all now. They said the 'final word' and that was it.


Because history has shown us that this works.


That's what I'm saying. They don't care about history. They're just doing it. They're taking a new direction and I think they don't give a damn about the long term players' opinions.

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Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#1455 - 2013-09-13 17:35:13 UTC
Anslo wrote:
So no joy on the subscription tracker?...

Also, is it me, or is CCP getting a lot colder with customer relations ever since that EA guy showed up. Someone used Raise Dead Minion on Greed is Good?

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It is starting to feel that way...

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Jngar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1456 - 2013-09-13 17:40:27 UTC
ccp, what happend to htfu?
Anslo
Scope Works
#1457 - 2013-09-13 17:42:21 UTC
Isis Dea wrote:
Anslo wrote:
So no joy on the subscription tracker?...

Also, is it me, or is CCP getting a lot colder with customer relations ever since that EA guy showed up. Someone used Raise Dead Minion on Greed is Good?

EDIT: Achievement unlocked: Page Sniper


It is starting to feel that way...


Yeah, it's a recent thing. There's a LOT of stonewalling when back in say...2007 there was none? Wat.

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Laurianne Leone
Blue Canary
Watch This
#1458 - 2013-09-13 17:45:02 UTC
Mr Pragmatic wrote:
As a scam artist with multiple alts this makes me a sad panda. AM I allowed to pretend to be a panda?


No, step away from the post button, we wouldn't want a ban now would we?

You'd better biomass those alts and close their accounts before even the implication you might have an alt related tangentially to a perceived scam results in your permabanning.

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Darthzeta
Death and Taxes Incorporated.
Two Vargurs one Hole
#1459 - 2013-09-13 17:46:11 UTC
Pfft if spying, Intelligence gathering, and Sabutage is bannable then its black marketed. More money maybe? I wont stop till ALL my chars get banned and then i will just stop playing eve and enjoy RL. But really this is ******* stupid. Corps do this stuff IRL like similar names and logos. But the part about claiming to be a representive of someone should be legit Because It makes sense. If they believe you that is their fault. Its not even impersonation.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1460 - 2013-09-13 17:46:45 UTC
Madlof Chev wrote:
also ali aras is possibly the most awful, selfserving, scumsucking brown-nose of a csm I've ever seen

gog damn i'd rather have darius iii on csm8

There's always at least one...

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